View Poll Results: Do Wrestlers Draw, Or Does the WWE Brand Draw?
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Wrestlers Draw
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WWE Brand draws
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12-06-2012, 05:27 PM
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#8541 (permalink)
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
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Yeah looks like it's worded in a way to save punk from the embarrassment.
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No, his 592,000 gain was what saved Punk from further embarrassment. Though, a 2.66 is still pretty humiliating.
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The big gain was only at the 11 P.M overrun,
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Which still took place during... Punk's match. No matter how you try and slice it or twist it, or rather, no matter how you try to "word it", it was still him, and it was still the biggest gain of the night. But again, admittedly, a 2.66 is nothing to boast about.
I have to wonder if rigging the Twitter vote had any influence on how it did, especially at the beginning. Of course, intros and commercial breaks should probably be considered as well. When did those happen? Anyone know?
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12-06-2012, 05:40 PM
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Shhh. My common sense is tingling.
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
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Originally Posted by Defei
Yeah looks like it's worded in a way to save punk from the embarrassment. The big gain was only at the 11 P.M overrun, Q12 drew 2.28 and Q11 2.25.
Probably, but I think having him lose his first PPV main event match against someone like Punk was a bigger mistake that hurt him. Like Jericho said, should have put the title on him at HIAC and made a new legitimate star.
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Dave Meltzer trying to save Punk from embarrassment? Do you even know how the man feels about Punk? He's been doing the exact opposite of that for the past year. If anything, with the way it's worded, the match segment did well and he decided not to show that rating and instead just showed the overrun. That is far easier to believe than Meltzer saving Punk from embarrassment. 
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"I mean c'mon, it's not that Cena is "controversial" or "one hell of an interesting character". The crowd is made up of two groups: those who are smart enough to boo him now, and those who will regret cheering him in a couple of years."
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12-06-2012, 05:53 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
Meltzer has said positive things about Punk in the past. He tries to remain as objective as possible.
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12-06-2012, 05:57 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
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Meltzer has said positive things about Punk in the past. He tries to remain as objective as possible.
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Very rarely. I've seen him call gains Punk has gotten "weak for this timeslot" and when someone like Sheamus/Big Show/Cena does the same he'll either not comment on it or call it a strong gain. The fact is he's shown his bias more than enough times to know there's something up with that.
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"I mean c'mon, it's not that Cena is "controversial" or "one hell of an interesting character". The crowd is made up of two groups: those who are smart enough to boo him now, and those who will regret cheering him in a couple of years."
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12-06-2012, 05:58 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
Meltzer likes Punk. He did give him two 5 star matches. It was Punk who attacked first.
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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12-06-2012, 06:27 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
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Very rarely. I've seen him call gains Punk has gotten "weak for this timeslot" and when someone like Sheamus/Big Show/Cena does the same he'll either not comment on it or call it a strong gain. The fact is he's shown his bias more than enough times to know there's something up with that.
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Meltzer has ranted on Punk a few times before, some of which were funny, but I don't think he hates Punk. It's not like he blames Punk for the overall declining ratings, or at least I never heard him say that.
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12-06-2012, 06:29 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
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Meltzer likes Punk. He did give him two 5 star matches. It was Punk who attacked first.
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Have you listened to Meltzer talk about Punk before? He always criticizes him, whether it be for burying someone like Del Rio/Miz, whining, bad mouthing the Rock, etc. If you can find any of his podcasts and listen to then you'll hear the tone he has about Punk.
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"I mean c'mon, it's not that Cena is "controversial" or "one hell of an interesting character". The crowd is made up of two groups: those who are smart enough to boo him now, and those who will regret cheering him in a couple of years."
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12-06-2012, 06:33 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
Meltzer has appeared to have a bias against Punk because anytime I've heard anything from Meltzer regarding Punk, it's been negative (In all fairness though, I don't listen to Meltzer often... only when he's brought up on here). I don't believe he "hates" Punk.
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12-06-2012, 06:34 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
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Originally Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7
Meltzer has ranted on Punk a few times before, some of which were funny, but I don't think he hates Punk. It's not like he blames Punk for the overall declining ratings, or at least I never heard him say that.
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I've heard him try and explain why he believes casuals don't like Punk, meaning he believes Punk isn't drawing well, and his explanations took a lot of shots at Punk which he joked about. Also, like I said about the comments he makes on his ratings breakdowns, you can see the bias there front and centre with how he comments on Punk's segments the majority of time in comparison with others getting the same ratings for their segments.
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"I mean c'mon, it's not that Cena is "controversial" or "one hell of an interesting character". The crowd is made up of two groups: those who are smart enough to boo him now, and those who will regret cheering him in a couple of years."
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12-06-2012, 06:39 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)
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Meltzer has appeared to have a bias against Punk because anytime I've heard anything from Meltzer regarding Punk, it's been negative (In all fairness though, I don't listen to Meltzer often... only when he's brought up on here). I don't believe he "hates" Punk.
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Exactly which proves my original point, that it is much easier to believe that Meltzer downplays Punk's good segments and emphasizes his bad segments, than him deliberately trying save Punk from embarrassment like that one poster said.
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"I mean c'mon, it's not that Cena is "controversial" or "one hell of an interesting character". The crowd is made up of two groups: those who are smart enough to boo him now, and those who will regret cheering him in a couple of years."
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