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post #8491 of 9175 (permalink) Old 12-06-2012, 04:26 PM
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Re: **The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

Just make a ADR vs Khali feud to save the show xD

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I still can't believe ADR vs. Khali was the peak of last week's show.



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ADR/Kane was the peak of last week's show? Well fuck me.

A couple of things: Last week I mentioned how if the 2.3 was true for the Punk/Kane match, that it definitely feeds the argument that Punk is a ratings killer. However upon seeing the breakdown and the way it's worded, it sounds like the match was gaining viewers throughout and amounted to the gain we saw combined with the overrun. So the match didn't do as terribly as it appeared. That being said, a 2.66 overrun (especially when it also had Shield and Ryback in it) is dreadful.

Cena just isn't helping the show anymore. Between this week's Cena and Sheamus tag match doing a terrible 9PM gain and abysmal rating number, and last week's Cena/Ziggler match losing 17,000 in the 10PM after weeks of build up, it's safe to say Cena isn't a ratings draw anymore, which would also explain the overall ratings continual decline. Vince McMahon's 10PM segment was the best gain in awhile for that segment, but it's still a mediocre number. Same thing goes for the overrun as far as rating goes for this week's show. Punk's segment gaining in a random quarter before Miz came out is a good sign for Punk. Of course it's only 24,000, but considering the week before it lost 139,000, and the week before that it lost 80,000, and it's just generally a losing quarter is good to some extent. Nothing to jump up and down about, but it's not bad at all.

Oh, and Ryback/Titus doing a decent number to start the show (and for the show's rating a great number) last week is a good sign for Ryback. He's continuing to do well in the ratings. I would say the same about Titus, but his tag match this week didn't provide the same goods. Perhaps a singles run is the way to go for Titus. But honestly based on the past several weeks, Ryback may just be the strongest ratings draw WWE has right now.

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The Khali match might have drawn because he hasn't been on TV for a while and the casuals love Khali.

Random matches with nothing at stake don't draw. The fact that the WWE gave away Bryan v Mysterio, a match we've never seen before, with no build after having just announced moments beforehand shows how much their booking sucks.

Funny how Punk is one of the few people who's drawing ratings. But I suppose people are still going to blame him for the declining ratings. To quote Mick Foley from his book, Have a Nice Day:

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Depressingly low ratings. The fact that Cena is not moving anything is concerning. Ever since the middle of last year his ratings have not done much.

In the build-up to WrestleMania 27, his segments with The Miz and The Rock did fantastic numbers. Fast forward one year and the two were not pulling in big numbers.

It seems the Summer of Punk last year elevated Punk, but may have permanently damaged Cena as a draw. And when you choose to turn Punk heel, that turns into a bigger problem than you may imagine...

As for The Shield. Hmmm. Imagine if you have not watched Raw in a year, and whatever reason. You see two people you recognise in the main angle (Punk and Heyman) and then four people who you've never seen before (Ryback and The Shield). Are you likely to continue watching? Probably not.

Did they push Ryback too fast to the main event? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but that is what happens when you get yourself into a situation by booking gimmick PPV's. Will he be forgotten about in a year time? This being WWE, I suspect he will...
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ADR/Kane was the peak of last week's show? Well fuck me.

A couple of things: Last week I mentioned how if the 2.3 was true for the Punk/Kane match, that it definitely feeds the argument that Punk is a ratings killer. However upon seeing the breakdown and the way it's worded, it sounds like the match was gaining viewers throughout and amounted to the gain we saw combined with the overrun. So the match didn't do as terribly as it appeared. That being said, a 2.66 overrun (especially when it also had Shield and Ryback in it) is dreadful.
Yeah looks like it's worded in a way to save punk from the embarrassment. The big gain was only at the 11 P.M overrun, Q12 drew 2.28 and Q11 2.25.


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Did they push Ryback too fast to the main event? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but that is what happens when you get yourself into a situation by booking gimmick PPV's. Will he be forgotten about in a year time? This being WWE, I suspect he will...
Probably, but I think having him lose his first PPV main event match against someone like Punk was a bigger mistake that hurt him. Like Jericho said, should have put the title on him at HIAC and made a new legitimate star.



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Well since Cenas storyline with Ziggler is second to Ryback vs Punk then it's no surprise Cenas stuff isn't drawing. Perhaps people respond to important stuff instead of rehashed love triangles with the same girl. You make Cena important he draws, but if not then he doesn't. Right now people are tuning in either randomly or for the Ryback VS Punk stuff.


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Yeah looks like it's worded in a way to save punk from the embarrassment.
No, his 592,000 gain was what saved Punk from further embarrassment. Though, a 2.66 is still pretty humiliating.

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Which still took place during... Punk's match. No matter how you try and slice it or twist it, or rather, no matter how you try to "word it", it was still him, and it was still the biggest gain of the night. But again, admittedly, a 2.66 is nothing to boast about.

I have to wonder if rigging the Twitter vote had any influence on how it did, especially at the beginning. Of course, intros and commercial breaks should probably be considered as well. When did those happen? Anyone know?

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Yeah looks like it's worded in a way to save punk from the embarrassment. The big gain was only at the 11 P.M overrun, Q12 drew 2.28 and Q11 2.25.




Probably, but I think having him lose his first PPV main event match against someone like Punk was a bigger mistake that hurt him. Like Jericho said, should have put the title on him at HIAC and made a new legitimate star.
Dave Meltzer trying to save Punk from embarrassment? Do you even know how the man feels about Punk? He's been doing the exact opposite of that for the past year. If anything, with the way it's worded, the match segment did well and he decided not to show that rating and instead just showed the overrun. That is far easier to believe than Meltzer saving Punk from embarrassment.

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Meltzer has said positive things about Punk in the past. He tries to remain as objective as possible.

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