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Old 12-04-2012, 05:01 PM   #8291 (permalink)
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The buzz will come back because of The Rock, not some hobo who can't draw for shit.

The ratings don't lie. Punk is killing this company.
Disagree with this. He isn't single handedly killing the company, that's a gross misstatement. But as I've been saying all along, he certainly isn't helping matters either and I'd like to think that that has been proven at this stage. Obviously not...
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:05 PM   #8292 (permalink)
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Starbuck mentions that 6 million people saw Punk lay out the Rock. Well, they clearly didn't leave over night. That was six months ago, the viewers fizzled out because the product is in a garbage state right now.
They did all leave overnight, didn't they? Not only did THEY leave overnight, so did an extra few hundred thousand.

Raw 999 drew an average of 4.88 million.
Raw 1000 drew an average of 6 million.
Raw 1001 drew an average of 4.5 million.

Hence why Raw1001 has to be the most disappointing rating of the year as they threw absolutely, everything including the Punk/ Rock angle, at the returning audience in an attempt to hook them and came up with absolutely nothing.

The fans they've managed to lose since then are the "hardcore", the ones you have to work pretty hard to erode from the viewership.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:05 PM   #8293 (permalink)
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Disagree with this. He isn't single handedly killing the company, that's a gross misstatement. But as I've been saying all along, he certainly isn't helping matters either and I'd like to think that that has been proven at this stage. Obviously not...
Punk is killing this company along with Vince.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:10 PM   #8294 (permalink)
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Disagree with this. He isn't single handedly killing the company, that's a gross misstatement. But as I've been saying all along, he certainly isn't helping matters either and I'd like to think that that has been proven at this stage. Obviously not...
I think the real question is whether anyone could help matters much, outside of one specific office.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:14 PM   #8295 (permalink)
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3 hours is killing RAW.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:17 PM   #8296 (permalink)
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It's a combination of all the factors that is hurting RAW:
- Monday Night Football
- MMA
- Wrestling is no longer "cool" or popular.
- The booking/writing is poor & lacks continuity.
- No one has any heat.
- There aren't any stars.
- The titles don't mean anything.
- The wins/losses don't mean anything.
- The show is too long.
- People don't want their intelligence insulted.
- There aren't any fresh match-ups & WWE runs everything into the ground.
- There's no reason to watch each week. Nothing ever changes. There are no consequences or cliff hangers.
- There is no emotional investment, either positively or negatively, for anyone on the entire roster.\
- Too many ads, replays, recaps & media whoring.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:18 PM   #8297 (permalink)
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Not surprised at all.. there was no heat heading into the night and nothing really happened. You had some potential in the first hour before it went right back to the same ole fuckery. That is hte problem... there is no logic or sense in the WWE. Nothing happens for a reason... or if it does, that reason is quickly tossed away. They need to bring back sensible, sustained booking. Until then, the numbers will not improve. Simple as that.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:21 PM   #8298 (permalink)
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I think the real question is whether anyone could help matters much, outside of one specific office.
Who knows? But they might as well try, rather than keep pushing a guy who hasn't drawn the entire time he's been champion.

What have the WWE got to lose by pushing someone else instead of CM Cunt?
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I think the real question is whether anyone could help matters much, outside of one specific office.
I think there is a solution and light at the end of the tunnel lol. But it isn't something that can be fixed right away. WWE's main problem right now, to me, is their short sightedness. Because of that, nothing has meaning anymore. I think if they designated some of those writers for planning out long ranging story arcs, even if its just for the top of the card, it would give a lot of fans something to gain a genuine interest in and they'd slowly claw their audience back. At the moment, there's literally NO reason to watch WWE. None at all. Everything is missable except for when one of their legit star attractions shows up who a lot of people already have a huge personal investment in as a character. Everything is meaningless. People would rather watch something else, record Raw and watch it later. It isn't a must see television show anymore, not even for its core fanbase which is starting to erode as well as the casuals. I do believe that they can make it a must see show again but it's going to take a couple of years to build the stars they need to do it and get themselves out of this downward trend.
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AJ had a combined air time of 5 mins this week

Sheamus and Ryback were in segments that were expected to draw ill give you that.

There is not one or three talents you can blame solely for ratings dropping. You have to look at the product as a whole and blame the guy who runs the ship, who is ultimately Vince McMahon.
The ratings slowly deteriorating have also correlated with AJ's entire self-indulgent megapush that leads to mediocre matches and poor television. Yes, prior to WWE Raw becoming a parody of a teen Nickelodeon drama series starring AJ Lee and her pursuit for Lurve, CM Punk was doing no better than anyone else and everything was about the same level it had been for 3 years. The only thing they get is to get some company PR telling an embellished story about how great and awesome their company is for taking the "poor, little homeless girl" and made her one of the primary focuses of the entire company. You know, the same story any wrestler working the indies often have to do in sleeping in cars and hotels traveling town to town to do indy shots, except they're not perceived as marketable and attractive and would ironically be bad PR for the company knowing how the rest of the industry looks like.
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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