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Old 12-01-2012, 06:32 AM   #8231 (permalink)
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Only because Rock wants to work with him so you can credit Punks entire reign to dwayne.
Are we also crediting Rock for Punk closing out every Raw and PPV for the past four months too?


Punk doesn't draw ratings yet he takes up more TV time then anybody on the roster. WWE doesn't care about ratings as much as most of the posters in this thread.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:49 PM   #8232 (permalink)
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so no breakdown yet?
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:59 PM   #8233 (permalink)
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And what if it doesn't and asses start being put in seats, what will your excuse be? "Well Punk was booked like shit anyway"?
If a new champion (and I mean properly new, not Cena or Rocky or whoever, someone untested) draws big numbers as champion, then yeah, Punk looks worse coming out of it. On the other hand, assuming it's not someone completely out of the blue, Punk's reign will just be seen as making the best of a transition period while other guys were properly built up. Yes, he was booked ineptly - everything in WWE is. It's not a get-out-of-jail free card for pulling some of the numbers he's done, but then, I don't see that WWE had or have any better options available. I mean, ratings aside (and let's face facts, nobody full-time in WWE is really drawing flies to shit these days, so we really can put the numbers aside), I'd take a historic year-long Punk reign with awesome matches with Ziggler, Bryan, Jericho, et al, Heyman coming back, and some genuine new blood in the title scene (if not the main event scene, grumble grumble), over whatever Cena-centric hot potato shit they probably would have been doing otherwise.

But if a new champ draws good numbers in his segments, and there's still matches that haemhorrage a million viewers (or whatever ridiculous number Kofi/Del Rio dropped a while back) and the viewers are still mostly hovering around the 4 million mark, what's really been fixed in the long term? You'll probably still have a crowd that sits on their hands until Super Champ #47 walks out, and you'll still have a product that is, as I coined before, oddly unlikable.

But then, what if the next unproven champ fails too? And what if its a WWE pet project, not an "IWC wet dream" like Punk? Do we call them a failure too? What if a Cena reign doesn't do any better? Or, worse, a Henry reign? At what point do people (and more importantly, WWE themselves) start to accept that the problems we're all mumbling about aren't going to be solved by finding a hot ticket champion? And that, while talking ratings is fun (at times, I guess, sorta), we're probably putting undue focus on the guys who are generally doing good, entertaining, crowd-pleasing shit when given the opportunity, but just aren't being given many of those opportunities by Steph, Kapoor, and co?
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Only because Rock wants to work with him so you can credit Punks entire reign to dwayne.
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:04 PM   #8235 (permalink)
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Where the HELL are the segment breakdowns? How often does it take this long?
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:22 PM   #8236 (permalink)
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I actually think the case can be made that Cena as the defending champ vs Rock at WM puts Cena in a more underdog role than chasing the title going into WM.

If Rock loses the title, what's really the big deal? He's already won the title as a movie star twice a year special attraction. Cena beating him for it proves nothing. Plus, Rock will have defeated Cena's arch enemy Punk, something Cena failed to do.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:36 AM   #8237 (permalink)
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Be honest with yourself: can you watch a three hour Raw show nowadays?
To be honest, I could not sit through two hours of Monday Night Raw this year let alone three.

However, the best raw this year and the one with the highest rating was a three hour show. Would they give every show as much attention as far as advertising, booking, character developments, storylines and overall writing go, numbers woudn't be this low, whether the show lasts one, two or three hours, whether or not Football is on and whether or not it's cold or warm outside.

But like I said, just count the first two hours if you think three hours is the problem. If raw gets hours of 3.0, 3.0 and 2.5, ignore the third hour and the show has a 3.0 rating. That's a fair comparison to shows prior to Raw 1000.

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I actually think the case can be made that Cena as the defending champ vs Rock at WM puts Cena in a more underdog role than chasing the title going into WM.

If Rock loses the title, what's really the big deal? He's already won the title as a movie star twice a year special attraction. Cena beating him for it proves nothing. Plus, Rock will have defeated Cena's arch enemy Punk, something Cena failed to do.
Didn't he beat him last month? LOL.
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Didn't he beat him last month? LOL.
Punk walked out with the champion in every single title match he's had with Cena, so yeah. That Cena victory was just done to give him a little momentum going into Survivor Series, doesn't really mean anything.
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Are we also crediting Rock for Punk closing out every Raw and PPV for the past four months too?


Punk doesn't draw ratings yet he takes up more TV time then anybody on the roster. WWE doesn't care about ratings as much as most of the posters in this thread.
WWE cares more about ratings than anything else. It pretty much is what keeps them in business. Better ratings equals better advertising revenue, merchandise sales, and so on.
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