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Old 12-01-2012, 01:00 AM   #8221 (permalink)
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Do you people honestly expect people to sit through three hours of this shit? Regardless of who's champion, no one wants to invest their own time in the product because it's obvious the company doesn't invest their effort into it. Hell, we're the biggest wrestling fans on the planet and we can barely stomach 30 minutes of RAW. Blaming any of this on one wrestler makes little to no sense.

Anyways, I can't wait till Punk drops the title and the new champ draws the same exact numbers.. Would love to see if the hate transfers to him.
And what if it doesn't and asses start being put in seats, what will your excuse be? "Well Punk was booked like shit anyway"?
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:05 AM   #8222 (permalink)
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And what if it doesn't and asses start being put in seats, what will your excuse be? "Well Punk was booked like shit anyway"?
I'm not even a Punk fan, I just understand the system's flawed. If it does, then Punk really isn't a draw, but I doubt it will.. I honestly don't even think Rocky as champ would make a substantial difference in this day and age (Saddens me because Rock's my favorite of all time).
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:49 AM   #8223 (permalink)
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On the internet, we've had access to this thing called the quarter hour now. Had it since the 90s, often even by Tuesday night. Now, shall we discuss Punks quarter hour ratings?
Yeah, it's just a shame you take it at face-value.

I'm not saying that Punk is a draw, or that a 2.3 is a good number. Honestly, I don't care either way. I'm not sitting at home on a Tuesday afternoon frantically hitting F5 to see the latest numbers on who's watching wrestling. I don't care who's tuning in for Cena and tuning out for Punk. I'm not fascinated by buyrates or how much money The Rock made Vince McMahon last year. Ratings are absolutely and entirely irrelevant in my life at this time.

My one and only point was that it's dumb to look at the ratings and assume that it's all down to Punk. It's even worse when you look at a number and automatically assume that the decrease is down to people banding together in their "disinterest" of Punk. That's just delusional. That might be the case, but we have absolutely no way of knowing. With the awful numbers the third hour has been drawing, plus the lack of direction, terrible storylines, underdeveloped talent, and no star power, it's impossible to define a single reason that people are tuning out.

There are enough posters in this thread drilling that notion into the ground that I thought even the most ardent of Punk haters would've cottoned on by now. 2.3 is a shitty number and if Punk continued to pull those numbers it could be a problem. Can't say I care though. It's the fucking WWE.
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:47 AM   #8224 (permalink)
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My one and only point was that it's dumb to look at the ratings and assume that it's all down to Punk.
Ok, I agree to an extent. But let's look at the best and worst raw rating of all time.

The best was on May 10th 1999, a 8.1 rating. Who was champion? Stone Cold. The worst rating ever was a 1.5 and who was champion then? Psycho Sid. This is no coincidence.

Basically what I'm saying is this. When Austin was champion, ratings would never ever fall below 3.8, let alone Sids 1.5 or Punks 2.5.

I can't believe people still blame the three hours. Do you know that WCW best ratings ever were three hour Nitros?

But if you really wanna blame the three hours, then just go ahead and look at the first two hour ratings and exclude the third hour from the overall rating.

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Old 12-01-2012, 05:56 AM   #8225 (permalink)
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Ok, I agree to an extent. But let's look at the best and worst raw rating of all time.

The best was on May 10th 1999, a 8.1 rating. Who was champion? Stone Cold. The worst rating ever was a 1.5 and who was champion then? Psycho Sid. This is no coincidence.

Basically what I'm saying is this. If Austin was champion, never ever did the ratings fall below 3.8, let alone a 1.5.

I can#t believe people still blame the three hours. Do you know that WCW best ratings ever were all three hour Nitros?

But if you really wanna blame the three hours, then just go ahead and look at the first two hour ratings and exclude the third hour from the overall rating.
But look at what the three hour trends produce nowadays. Nothing's drawing in big viewership numbers as a solo act (although Ryback has looked promising in sparking a growth in several instances) but you have a steep decline in many, many instances as the show ticks on which makes things even worse.

Be honest with yourself: can you watch a three hour Raw show nowadays? Can you honestly compare it to WCW's yesteryear in cultural context, product excitement, as well as your personal tastes at the time? The quantity of time is extraordinarily hefty for a weekly show, and the quality is going to have to be equally extraordinary, which it is not.
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WWE don't really care about ratings anyway. Punk isn't a ratings draw, yet he has been WWE champion for a year and has been the focal point of the show for about four months now.
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Ok, I agree to an extent. But let's look at the best and worst raw rating of all time.

The best was on May 10th 1999, a 8.1 rating. Who was champion? Stone Cold. The worst rating ever was a 1.5 and who was champion then? Psycho Sid. This is no coincidence.

Basically what I'm saying is this. When Austin was champion, ratings would never ever fall below 3.8, let alone Sids 1.5 or Punks 2.5.

I can't believe people still blame the three hours. Do you know that WCW best ratings ever were three hour Nitros?

But if you really wanna blame the three hours, then just go ahead and look at the first two hour ratings and exclude the third hour from the overall rating.
Comparisons are great but those examples have little significance or meaning in this day and age.

Austin was STONE COLD STEVE FUCKING AUSTIN (GOAT) and champion during the Attiude era. He was surrounded by superstars and epic booking. It was the most popular era in wrestling history.

Likewise, three hour Nitro's aired during the most successful era in wrestling history.

Sid was champion at the end of the weakest period in wrestling history. The roster was awful, booking was terrible, and there was little star power.

This is 2012. Wrestling is in a down-swing, there's no one with name value on the roster, booking is in the shitter, there are a thousand different ways to watch Monday Night Raw, and whether you believe it or not, the move to three hours is certainly a contributing factor. Plus championships don't draw anymore, and Punk obviously isn't lighting the world on fire. There's any number of reasons that ratings are down.

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Old 12-01-2012, 06:03 AM   #8228 (permalink)
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Yeah, the champ should never be in such a low-rated segment. But, man, what a shitty time for anyone to be an unproven champ. There is literally no one there to make him the star he needs to be.
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WWE don't really care about ratings anyway. Punk isn't a ratings draw, yet he has been WWE champion for a year and has been the focal point of the show for about four months now.
Only because Rock wants to work with him so you can credit Punks entire reign to dwayne.
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WWE don't really care about ratings anyway. Punk isn't a ratings draw, yet he has been WWE champion for a year and has been the focal point of the show for about four months now.
because Rock vs Punk and a one year long reign makes more entertaining storylines. Also who really could have been given the belt? The only options were Cena and Ryback. Cena winning the title again needs to be special and a big thing, a random title win for him at point of his career is just pointless. Ryback could have won it too, but its too early, and why ruin a perfectly long reign of Cm Punk?

What sounds better on paper: Rock vs Punk (who just won the title back by cheating against Ryback)

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Rock vs Punk (the one year long champion who has beaten pretty much everyone in the roster)
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