[Evil Peter]

Originally Posted by SuperIvysaur

When someone calls me an idiot/moron simply because I give a shit about ratings, I have the right to be annoyed.

I didn't say you can't be offended, I was mostly referring to that strawman arguments doesn't help anything.

I don't care if people are following ratings, but I also don't feel ashamed of laughing at those that use ratings to try to imply what's good or not (I know it's mean to pick on the insecure). All of the former don't do the latter though and I think very few have said that someone's an idiot for caring about ratings at all, it's mostly directed to how people use them.

[Shawn Morrison]

Originally Posted by SuperIvysaur

Lol @ people thinking they are smart and cool just because they don't care about ratings.

"I DON'T KARE ABOUT RATINGS, THEREFOR I AM GREATER HUMAN BEING THAN THOSE WHO ACTUALLY KARE, GIMME THE RESPECT I DESERVE"

You can care about ratings all you want, what is extremely annoying is when people will look at ratings to a judge a superstar/show/feud/etc. There could be a really good Raw, yet the ratings would be down for certain reasons on that day, and people would call it a terrible Raw for that alone. Also it's really stupid how people use it to judge superstar's talent, ratings don't say shit about how talented someone is, however they do show how well/or not well those superstars are being booked, cause if they were booked well they would get better ratings.

This is why it is annoying. Honestly i find it lame to blame anything other than Creative or 3 hours for the ratings. I mean different superstars get different ratings each week, and just like sheep you change your opinions about them every week too. It is obvious that it's the booking and storyline that gets the ratings, yet you will still find a way to make an excuse and keep saying 'this superstar sucks, he can't draw, etc.'. 3 hours has drastically decreased the ratings, if anything deserves blame, its that.

[TheWFEffect]

Originally Posted by jblvdx

Lord Meltzer said that the number wasn't Punk's fault. So ya'll are wrong.

This LOL I am no fan of Punk but Meltzer seems to support him got be honest Punk is always put in the worst time slots and 3 hours is too much viewers are going to continue to drop please WWE use your brain for once go back too two.

[ellthom]

Ratings have been falling since Cena became face of the WWE... just saying *troll face*

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by Shawn Morrison

You can care about ratings all you want, what is extremely annoying is when people will look at ratings to a judge a superstar/show/feud/etc. There could be a really good Raw, yet the ratings would be down for certain reasons on that day, and people would call it a terrible Raw for that alone. Also it's really stupid how people use it to judge superstar's talent, ratings don't say shit about how talented someone is, however they do show how well/or not well those superstars are being booked, cause if they were booked well they would get better ratings.

Except NOBODY does that unless it's just a troll baiting the super-sensitive Punk marks that will defend their hero all the way to their graves. I fucking hate this misconception made about this thread that if you care about ratings, you automatically decide who your favorite is based on who's segments get the most viewers. It's just complete bullshit.

[SuperIvysaur]

Originally Posted by Shawn Morrison

You can care about ratings all you want, what is extremely annoying is when people will look at ratings to a judge a superstar/show/feud/etc. There could be a really good Raw, yet the ratings would be down for certain reasons on that day, and people would call it a terrible Raw for that alone. Also it's really stupid how people use it to judge superstar's talent, ratings don't say shit about how talented someone is, however they do show how well/or not well those superstars are being booked, cause if they were booked well they would get better ratings.

This is why it is annoying. Honestly i find it lame to blame anything other than Creative or 3 hours for the ratings. I mean different superstars get different ratings each week, and just like sheep you change your opinions about them every week too. It is obvious that it's the booking and storyline that gets the ratings, yet you will still find a way to make an excuse and keep saying 'this superstar sucks, he can't draw, etc.'. 3 hours has drastically decreased the ratings, if anything deserves blame, its that.

I assure you that I'm not judging wrestlers talent by ratings. I judge them by how entertaining they are and I simply like to use poor ratings to make fun of them (it's just internet, after all). Del Rio often makes bad numbers and I really like him.

Since Raw 1000 two things have changed - Raw became 3 hours long and CM Punk became #1 guy. You can't really say that Punk has NOTHING to do with poor-ass ratings. My brother and uncle (they are casuals), who were wrestling fans since 2007, stopped watching WWE 2 months ago, and they said it's because Punk is boring and makes them fall asleep.

I'm not saying Punk is killing WWE or shit like that, he just fails to help boost ratings and considering what WWE gave to him, he SHOULD be doing that. When you look at the worst overruns in history, you see CM Punk's name everywhere, no matter what you think, it CAN'T be coincidence.

[Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by stadw0n306

People still give a shit about the ratings? no wonder i never come in this thread, it's full of idiots.

oh ma.. look at me, i'm cool and don't give a shit because my fav guy is doing shit ratings.

Punk is a ratings killer. just accept it.. match with Kane did 2.28.. ya do your math.

a real douche deserves this ratings..

you will see the effect in ratings once he loses it.

[Snoth]

Originally Posted by The-Rock-Says

Punk and his marks pretend they don't care about the ratings but they really do. Punk does anyway. It eats at him that he gets messgaes on Twitter about it.

lmao it eats at him? Does it now? Ok bro. We got us a PhD in psychology

[Jof]

Originally Posted by WallofShame

lmao it eats at him? Does it now? Ok bro. We got us a PhD in psychology

It's probably true. It's easier to get a reaction from him on twitter if you tweet about low ratings. You will know if you follow him.

[Starbuck]

Discounting the third hour, viewership for the first 2 hours is still SHIT. Barely above 4 million. Yes, 3 hours is hurting them. That's a given. But if it was the real crux of the problem, people would still be watching from the beginning of the show and we'd see a gradual dip in viewers as the third hour hits and the show comes to an end. But that isn't happening. They're not starting well and the drop in viewers is the natural consequence of a 3 hour long program. They're starting shit and getting worse. The third hour makes the whole thing look horrible but take it away and the problem is still there. 5 million used to be normal. Then 4.5 became normal. Now 4 is normal. The pattern is obvious. Nobody is able do TV business anymore and that includes John Cena. He'll probably be the highest of the night and the best full time draw they have but he isn't able to do even decent numbers anymore purely on his name alone.

And I've probably said this every week since this whole debate began way back when but CM Punk isn't doing anything to move TV numbers. At all. If he's in there with a Vince McMahon etc, people care. If he's not, people don't give a shit. Why some of you are still continuing to discuss this is beyond me. He doesn't draw. Whether that's his fault or WWE's fault, it doesn't matter because he still doesn't draw. Talk about beating a dead horse. Take his match with Kane, cut out the third hour, stick it at the end of the second hour, give it the overrun slot and it's still only doing barely above 4 million viewers. It's still shit. If that 2.3 quarter hour for his match with Kane is true then holy fuck. And I think it very obviously does eat at him otherwise he wouldn't bother to retweet all the hate he gets. Cena probably gets ten times as much hate directed at him on his twitter but he ignores it. Punk clearly spends time reading through and then retweeting peoples messages about his inability to draw. Why? Because it obviously bothers him. BUT HEZ WORKIN DA MARKZ RITE??? Whatever.