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The third hour was horribly low. The first two hours were also low. If the third hour wasn't there the first two hours are still shit. The third hour clearly isn't helping matters but their problems run a lot deeper than that. Adding in the extra hour is just exasperating things.

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It's funny how we still focus on whether such-and-such is a draw, when it seems the best the WWE can hope for is something that doesn't actively drive viewers away. What an oddly unlikable product they've created.



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Oddly unlikable product is the best description of current WWE I've heard yet lol. I want to like it because I'm a wrestling fan and have been for forever but oddly, I don't find it enjoyable and pretty much don't like it right now because it's, well, because it's shit.

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Even though the booking is blame to a certain extent, these wrestlers of today are just boring.

Serious development on their characters need major work imo.



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Even though the booking is blame to a certain extent, these wrestlers of today are just boring.

Serious development on their characters need major work imo.
Well, sure, some people might find the wrestlers boring. But then you've got a guy like me: I'm a huge mark for Punk, huge mark for Bryan, big fan of Ziggler, the Shield, Cesaro, Sheamus (at times), the new tag division, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's going on. So why do I find it eye-searingly painful to sit through Raw? Why have I stopped giving a single hot shit about Smackdown?

I think it's because I feel it's insulting. The lack of thought (or at least, lack of clear thought) that goes into everything WWE does these days is so plainly obvious that it's hard not to feel like your time is better spent elsewhere. They don't give a single shit about pleasing people who watch week-to-week, or even hour-to-hour. Otherwise they wouldn't recap every important segment from the first hour, in full, at least once before the end of the show. Or give a beat-for-beat repeat of the huge finish from Survivor Series on Raw the next night. Or have a recap of the closing 20 minutes of Raw positioned as the main event of Superstars. They have Cesaro hang with Sheamus (and frankly, look better than him) on Raw, but two days ago on Smackdown, he lost clean in about two minutes to R-fucking-Truth. Never mind the fact that for a solid five minutes towards the start of that really, really great match, Cole and King said absolutely nothing about what was going on the ring. They don't care - why would anyone watching?

The only show that's actually consistent is NXT, but that's internally consistent, and completely divorced from the rest of WWE TV. So divorced in fact, that Cole will repeatedly reference Ambrose being on NXT. Ambrose, who has, as the people who make the effort to actually watch WWE programming know, spent a sum total of zero seconds on NXT.

Who could be happy watching that product? Why wouldn't people tune out in droves, no matter who's champion, no matter who's in which segment? They could build a main event program of solid gold around Punk, Ryback, Cena, or hell, even Rocky, but it'd still be balanced on the same bullshit foundations that's making it a chore to watch these days, and people would continue to lose interest.



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Way back when, sometimes around when the thread first started, I voted "WWE Brand Draws." I don't think I believe that anymore. I think it is true for Wrestlemania & Royal Rumble & that's it. People still want to see stars & I don't think that will ever change. To me, C.M. Punk is just not a star. Yes, to us internet fans we know him as the guy from the Indies that worked his way up to the top & has some great mic skills & good matches. To the everyday, common viewer though, regardless of if he is heel or face, he's sort of just another guy. A year-long WWE title reign has not changed this.

C.M. Punk is not the only one though. There really aren't any stars on the show & that is the problem. There is no one to make people want to tune in or to stick around if they do tune in. If you put on WWE Monday Night RAW, you are pretty much going to see the same thing every week & for whatever reason when they do hand-select a new flavor-of-the-week (because lord knows they're not listening to the fans) they pick guys like Ryback. Even Goldberg went through the undercard & won a midcard belt. Ryback went from squashing two nobodies at a time to getting a WWE PPV title shot in a cage damn near over night. Never winning the U.S. or I.C. title. He was just thrust to the tippy-top because WWE were in panic mode because they don't have any planning. All of their eggs are in the John Cena basket.

I'm in the camp that other than keeping the USA Network happy, the ratings don't matter at all anymore (& haven't since WCW stopped being around) & certainly shouldn't matter to the fans. It is interesting to seem them continually go down though because I do find that to be a reflection of the quality of the show.
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Well, sure, some people might find the wrestlers boring. But then you've got a guy like me: I'm a huge mark for Punk, huge mark for Bryan, big fan of Ziggler, the Shield, Cesaro, Sheamus (at times), the new tag division, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's going on. So why do I find it eye-searingly painful to sit through Raw? Why have I stopped giving a single hot shit about Smackdown?

I think it's because I feel it's insulting. The lack of thought (or at least, lack of clear thought) that goes into everything WWE does these days is so plainly obvious that it's hard not to feel like your time is better spent elsewhere. They don't give a single shit about pleasing people who watch week-to-week, or even hour-to-hour. Otherwise they wouldn't recap every important segment from the first hour, in full, at least once before the end of the show. Or give a beat-for-beat repeat of the huge finish from Survivor Series on Raw the next night. Or have a recap of the closing 20 minutes of Raw positioned as the main event of Superstars. They have Cesaro hang with Sheamus (and frankly, look better than him) on Raw, but two days ago on Smackdown, he lost clean in about two minutes to R-fucking-Truth. Never mind the fact that for a solid five minutes towards the start of that really, really great match, Cole and King said absolutely nothing about what was going on the ring. They don't care - why would anyone watching?

The only show that's actually consistent is NXT, but that's internally consistent, and completely divorced from the rest of WWE TV. So divorced in fact, that Cole will repeatedly reference Ambrose being on NXT. Ambrose, who has, as the people who make the effort to actually watch WWE programming know, spent a sum total of zero seconds on NXT.

Who could be happy watching that product? Why wouldn't people tune out in droves, no matter who's champion, no matter who's in which segment? They could build a main event program of solid gold around Punk, Ryback, Cena, or hell, even Rocky, but it'd still be balanced on the same bullshit foundations that's making it a chore to watch these days, and people would continue to lose interest.
You just seem disinterested with the product like some are on here, probably because of the shitty story lines we get these days.
I just used the whole wrestlers boring tag to outline one of the many problems I have with the WWE today.

The product just isn't what it once was.



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Way back when, sometimes around when the thread first started, I voted "WWE Brand Draws." I don't think I believe that anymore. I think it is true for Wrestlemania & Royal Rumble & that's it. People still want to see stars & I don't think that will ever change. To me, C.M. Punk is just not a star. Yes, to us internet fans we know him as the guy from the Indies that worked his way up to the top & has some great mic skills & good matches. To the everyday, common viewer though, regardless of if he is heel or face, he's sort of just another guy. A year-long WWE title reign has not changed this.

C.M. Punk is not the only one though. There really aren't any stars on the show & that is the problem.
This is actually something that struck me when I was at a house show earlier this month. Cena came out in the middle of the show to fight Dolph and you really got the sense that you were watching a superstar as corny as that may sound lol. But for everybody else that same feeling wasn't there. Punk came out to face Ryback in the main event and I didn't get the same feeling that I did with Cena. He's just CM Punk. It didn't feel like I was sitting there watching a superstar make his entrance and all that, it just felt completely normal, like he was just another guy. I think part of that is to do with his heel turn because the last time I saw him live was over Mania weekend and he had a different vibe to him then as a face. I don't know. The one thing I do know, however, is that the lack of stars and star power is what's killing them, that and horribly shitty writing/structure/story arcs/whatever you want to call it.

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Yeah, Cena is the only guy with real star power on the roster. Not saying this to bash Punk though, he definitely showed he could be something huge last summer but boy did that ever change.
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There is a laundry list of problems with the WWE product, and that's before you get to in-ring talent. The whole structure of the organization is askew and has been for awhile now. Whenever they have something that works, and can be big they fumble the ball.


Just think about all the strikes they have been set up with the last few years and how many of them they quickly snuffed out for little to no reason. Wrestlers generate interest then the front office kills it.


Its the organization. Its not like anyone can sink their teeth into anything out there. Dolph is the only motivated act on the screen at times and he's even stuck in something pathetic and poorly written.


Ultimately we need to resign ourselves to the fact that VKM has the final say over what goes on that TV screen. Its got shit to do with any on screen talent, Vince isn't motivating the talent, he's not giving the fans interesting television and its a cop out to blame anyone else.


Complaining like the talent is fucking up is the wrong way to critique the product. Its not like these cats are turning chicken salad into chicken shit out there. They have chicken shit given to them.


The way the company operates is in disarray and the product is stale beyond belief, what can that produce but shit? We have this innate desire to always blame the workers for the problems of the company. Its almost like the truth that a multimillionaire businessman is fucking up on his own is hard to swallow.


I'm almost at the point of absolving the creative team from blame and placing it solely on the shoulders of Vince. You have plenty of smart guys like Dusty & Michael Hayes that know the business and how to book and even its unfair to them to shit on the creative team when ultimately Vince makes the decisions on who goes on TV and does what and says what to whom and when.


They can't do shit about it, and the talent can't do shit about it.
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