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Old 11-25-2012, 08:36 AM   #8051 (permalink)
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I never said Punk is causing the bad ratings. I just said he's not a draw which he isn't. Otherwise the ratings wouldn't continue to decrease almost weekly, 3 hours or not. Punk is not the ratings killer but as has been pointed out, he's not helping them in any way. At this point, not even the last full-time draw in Cena is of any help.

And you also contradict yourself here. This conversation started with you claiming that Punk is keeping the ratings up and anyone else would have caused them to further drop. How come now you have turned it around?
i haven't turned anything around. IMO i think anyone else other than Punk would have probably made the ratings drop further. I was replying to people who said that there is proof Punk can't draw, when there isn't because its way more likely the 3 hours is causing the drop and no one else has proven to get better ratings this year, because no one else has been champion, so you can't say it is Punk who is the bad draw and the reason ratings are going down.
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:13 AM   #8052 (permalink)
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i haven't turned anything around. IMO i think anyone else other than Punk would have probably made the ratings drop further. I was replying to people who said that there is proof Punk can't draw, when there isn't because its way more likely the 3 hours is causing the drop and no one else has proven to get better ratings this year, because no one else has been champion, so you can't say it is Punk who is the bad draw and the reason ratings are going down.
Considering that Punk has been in all of the 5 lowest overruns in the last 15 years, it's safe to say that he can't draw. (and yes, some of them were even before the 3 hours move, so it's not an excuse) Once again, I didn't say HE is the reason ratings are dropping. He doesn't help them in any way, though, and that's what you claimed by suggesting that anyone else as champion would have caused the ratings to further drop even though you have nothing to back this statement up with. Also since ratings are based on facts, I don't think there's a place for "IMO" in here.
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Punk is destroying the rasslin biz with his awful reign.

and the Punk marks that are counting his reign in their signature are even more awful.
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Its in times like this TNA should get their fingers out their butt holes and push up their ratings, they are not that far off really. Hopefully when TNa catch up it'll force WWE to open their eyes. Of cours eI am only dreaming :P
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Because it's mostly from idiotic dullards who can't think of logical reasons to give constructive criticism on a guy who is one of the top guys in the promotion at the moment, so they resort to lame attempts at humour.
Isn't that what you Punk marks do to Cena, Orton, and Sheamus on a daily basis? :kane They can never win with Punk marks but Punk has to win with his detractors. He is never to be criticized for anything. Gotcha.
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Isn't that what you Punk marks do to Cena, Orton, and Sheamus on a daily basis? :kane They can never win with Punk marks but Punk has to win with his detractors. He is never to be criticized for anything. Gotcha.
'You Punk marks'

To be quite honest, I wouldn't even call myself a proper CM Punk fan, he's not even in my Top 10. I just know good talent when I see it. For the record, I like Sheamus, and can appreciate the work Cena does even though I think he's awfully stale. I'm not a fan of Randy Orton at all, but I don't go stating that fact in every single fucking thread that exists.
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'You Punk marks'

To be quite honest, I wouldn't even call myself a proper CM Punk fan, he's not even in my Top 10. I just know good talent when I see it. For the record, I like Sheamus, and can appreciate the work Cena does even though I think he's awfully stale. I'm not a fan of Randy Orton at all, but I don't go stating that fact in every single fucking thread that exists.
I am not dismissing his talent but at the same time he is not above blame. He is the champ and blame falls squarely on his shoulders. Just like when Sheamus was champion on Smackdown, despite not having segment breakdowns, he was responsible for the low ratings. Fair is fair, right?
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I am not dismissing his talent but at the same time he is not above blame. He is the champ and blame falls squarely on his shoulders. Just like when Sheamus was champion on Smackdown, despite not having segment breakdowns, he was responsible for the low ratings. Fair is fair, right?
Not really, the blame falls at Vince McMahon, the writers, the bookers etc. They're the ones who give the orders and make the decisions, so they're responsible.
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Not really, the blame falls at Vince McMahon, the writers, the bookers etc. They're the ones who give the orders and make the decisions, so they're responsible.
I just don't understand why this is rocket science to some people. Yes, Punk may not be helping matters, much like Sheamus may not be helping things on Smackdown, but it comes down to creative, and ultimately comes down to the man at the head of creative, Vince.

I think people just expect another Hogan/Austin to come flying through the window to create another boom period, but the reality is it takes an "it" factor that very very very few possess. Punk isn't that guy. Sheamus isn't that guy. Orton isn't that guy. Even Cena isn't that guy anymore (unless he turns heel, then maybe he can be that guy). Right now the only person on the roster in their current gimmick who looks like they could potentially be that guy is Ryback, but only time will tell on that, and even then I'm not sure how favorable those odds are.
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