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post #7971 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-22-2012, 10:33 AM
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No, Taker/Cena for the streak is a big money match. It's a logical assumption.

It isn't "shitty" if they can properly build up Ryback as a threat to the streak. The only other available option is a "Fight" with Lesnar and that's much worse compared to Ryback.

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Okay, this breakdown is actually pretty steady for the most part. Of course it's in the poor range, but it's steady, which I suppose means it kept the people's interest who tuned in for the most part.

Ryback had the highest rated segment, but by my calculations, based on the gains/losses provided, his segment was not the highest viewership... unless I made some mistake (which is possible), but Punk's segment at the end seemed to have the highest viewership, followed by he 10PM, then the 9PM, and then the Miz/Otunga match.

That being said, with the Punk segment, it's both good and bad. Good because he did get the most amount of viewers for the show and what can still be a success to some degree because it certainly wasn't a failure as it was well above the ratings average for the show. However, it's also bad. The segment was all Punk and it ended up being one of the lowest overrun quarters of the year. Not to mention the gain was the weakest overrun gain in a couple of months. The fact that it was heavily promoted and it didn't bring in more viewers with the nature of the segment in mind, that's pretty fucking bad and feeds the whole "Punk doesn't draw' argument. However where I was hoping this segment would either sway me on the side of him firmly not being a draw (even though I'd of course still be a mark) or him being a draw with the right promotion much like any other top name, the segment didn't do either. There are positives and negatives for the numbers he got. You could argue he simply did the best he could if he did get the highest viewership, and there was no greater audience for tonight (as far fetched as that sounds). So yeah, I'm still in the same spot I was. Not a top level draw, but not a ratings bust either. Just in the middle of that who has his good nights, his good moments, and his bad nights/bad moments in the ratings game.

Let's talk about Ryback's segment, because while it is a success to some degree, getting the highest rating of the night, it's not all good either. He had the opening segment from SVS in the 8PM slot, the first thing people would see after Sunday's show and what they'd be tuned in and interested for, and all he gets is a 2.91? Much like Punk, it's great he did above the average and in relationship to the night of the show it was a good number, but in the grand scheme of things it was poor. Ryback's still in the same boat as Punk. Not a top level draw, but certainly not a ratings bust. Plus he'll now always have the 10PM segment from last week, which was the highest gaining 10PM segment in months, to work for him.

Ouch at the Vickie/AJ/Cena angle. I would've thought the whole kissing thing would've grabbed people in by word of mouth like it's done in the past, but I guess not. Still it's one of the highest viewers segments of the night for the show, but it still is a pretty sucky overrun/gain.

The big success of the night imo was Miz/Otunga in a random quarter gaining 223,000 viewers. They just might be on to something with face Miz. I've been thinking if Miz turned face I could see him winning the Rumble, and now if he keeps doing well in the ratings, I'd wager more on that happening.

But yeah, they started in a rut with the direct fallout from the PPV with Ryback's promo and Ryback/Tensai, and didn't really go anywhere. Some came, some left, but they never dug themselves out of that rut, and Punk's just not a big enough draw, even in a heavily promoted segment, to do that.

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Did a dirt sheet tell you that? Its well known that Taker is hurting and to be honest to go from NBA and HHH all the way to Ryback is pretty shitty.
What makes you think punk is not a shitty option? Considering Ryback is the #2 star behind Cena right now, Taker should pick Ryback over the #3 star of the show, CM Punk.

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What makes you think punk is not a shitty option? Considering Ryback is the #2 star behind Cena right now, Taker should pick Ryback over the #3 star of the show, CM Punk.
Is this true? Is he above Sheamus, Orton, and Punk?


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Team Steph and her self-insert Mary Sueing it up all over her daddy's show. Perhaps her and her TMZ writing staff can con Vinny to keep writing the same diatribe to indulge her antiquated 'girl power' movement that's only been slowly deteriorating their core fan base and having shows in front of half-empty buildings. If people want to see a teen drama show, they won't watch pro wrestling. They'll watch an actual teen drama show with actual actors and legitimate writers, fuckwits.

I do have one question for anyone who might feel that Dwayne Johnson "owes" the business. Is it just him, or is it anyone who moved on to other things? Should Luna Vachon get heat for running a towing company instead of working on RAW? Should Maven be critiqued on his Home Shopping Network bits instead of wrestling?

Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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@ToxieDogg Its a real shame pro wrestling doesn't have a draft like the MLB, NHL, NBA or NFL. That way, the excuse for aiming to do shitty is to get a top pick to turn things around next season. In this case, though...I don't know if its deliberate or just extreme incompetence.
Even when they had the WWE Draft they still failed at keeping things interesting. The draft would be alright for the first 2 months and then fissile out afterwards back to mediocrity.

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And this breakdown pretty much confirms it. Punk is NOT a draw. He finally got his moment where he's all on his own without any legends or proven draws on his side and the viewership numbers were lukewarm at best.

But Starbuck put it best, the only real draw in the roster is Cena and even he is losing his star power due to over-exposure, shitty storylines and just being too stale for words. Ratings are not in a good place right now.
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Punk is up there due to the MITB thing, but it seems his name still ain't powerful enough.


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Lol at people going "U SEE, PUNK CANT DRAW!" We know.

Punk isn't a ratings draw, but guess what, nobody is. Hell Cena got a lower rating than Punk. Nobody draws ratings on the roster. The only ones that do are Rock, Brock, HHH and Taker because they always get top billing and promotion for big events. "WRESTLEMANIA IS COMING UP, ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET FOR ALL THE GUYS WHO ARE NEVER HERE AND IN THEIR FORTIES" its that mentality thats killing the product.

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Lol at people going "U SEE, PUNK CANT DRAW!" We know.

Punk isn't a ratings draw, but guess what, nobody is. Hell Cena got a lower rating than Punk. Nobody draws ratings on the roster. The only ones that do are Rock, Brock, HHH and Taker because they always get top billing and promotion for big events. "WRESTLEMANIA IS COMING UP, ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET FOR ALL THE GUYS WHO ARE NEVER HERE AND IN THEIR FORTIES" its that mentality thats killing the product.
Yes, HHH vs Taker 2 years in a row HHH vs Brock Cena getting all the big names and main eventing with Johnny ace is doing nobody favors. Punk being said as a person who isn't drawing attention is a statement made out to the marks who would probably say the exact same thing if someone like Miz was champ and people would say he isn't a draw even thou the show as a whole is pretty crap.


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