[MikeChase27]

Originally Posted by jblvdx

A lot of long wrestling matches that mean nothing = low ratings.

People need a story to get invested in a match. Thats the structure of wrestling since the late 60's. You'd think WWE would know that.

Wrestling? We're sports entertainment

[YoungGun_UK]

Originally Posted by Starbuck

Cena's drawing power has been slowly but surely dying over the past 2 or 3 years. He isn't able to get by on his name alone anymore because he's been over-saturated to the point of near irrelevance tbh. He isn't the powerhouse TV draw he used to be. People aren't buying it anymore. Yeah, he's still the best they currently have and the best full time guy they have but that isn't saying much when things are slipping and continue to slip like they are. I've always said that Punk isn't a ratings killer but at the same time he sure as hell isn't helping matters at all. Well at this point, Cena, in his current form, isn't helping things either. The entire product is stale and completely lifeless. The Rock's, Brock's HHH's and Undertaker's are only band aids to the real problem. When they're gone, the problem still exists. Until they fix that, things will continue to drop.

See here's the thing I agree, I don't think Punk is a monster draw but I'd be pretty confident hes level in terms of drawing an audience to RAW as Cena is today, neither of them are going to bring flocks of fans for the entire show but both guys do decent/good numbers in their segments.

were also in the age of the internet, I don't need to watch the entire show to see what Punk and Cena did, I'll just YouTube it on my Smart Phone the next day. Things have changed.

[ellthom]

How many people you think stream WWE events and PPVs now?

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by Jotunheim

jesus christ, I get you don't like punk, not everyone does, but some of the thing you say in all of your different punk diatribes are borderline ridiculous, it's like you legit hate the guy and want him to die or something out of some personal spite :

Okay, so you had the decency to mark the parts that supposedly made you feel the way you do in this post so I have to address them both.

Firstly, how does saying that he doesn't have the talent to deserve a 1 year title reign translate to "legit hate the guy and want him to die"?

And the sewer line you also bolded is a J-O-K-E. You know, like when somebody makes a thread saying "Should _____ be pushed?" and the obligatory "Yeah, off a cliff/out the door" responses that follow. I'm surprised you took it this seriously considering the fact that you were jerking off all over the place for that heart-attack segment.

[TN Punk]

Originally Posted by ellthom

How many people you think stream WWE events and PPVs now?

Streaming and Downloading has got to be in the millions. Monday Night RAW and the PPV are always at the top of torrent list 's the day after. Streaming, there are always thousands of tweets during the PPV or show. I check these kind of things just to see the online buzz.

[just_one]

Originally Posted by TN Punk

Streaming and Downloading has got to be in the millions. Monday Night RAW and the PPV are always at the top of torrent list 's the day after. Streaming, there are always thousands of tweets during the PPV or show. I check these kind of things just to see the online buzz.

im from portugal and i download PPV the day after. Same thing for RAW.

Yes WWE is broadcasted on TV but we have a delay around 2/3 weeks from whats going on in the US and they dont show PPV´s live also.

[Ageei]

Punk celebration should have kicked off the show. I really can't blame him for the dip in ratings during the actual celebration. It's 3 hours, and they pushed him on the air with his celebration at 10:57 PM.

That's just ridiculous.

But to be honest I'm not sure how much Vince and Co pay attention to these ratings anymore. I think there are quite a bit of people watching the shows on Hulu, and do DVR recordings even count in ratings? So I think we should all keep that in mind when we see ratings that look unimpressive.

I mean I know for me I haven't watched a non sporting event live in about 10 years. So if DVR recording don't count in the ratings than they're missing out on a portion of the audience.

[Jotunheim]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Okay, so you had the decency to mark the parts that supposedly made you feel the way you do in this post so I have to address them both.

Firstly, how does saying that he doesn't have the talent to deserve a 1 year title reign translate to "legit hate the guy and want him to die"?

And the sewer line you also bolded is a J-O-K-E. You know, like when somebody makes a thread saying "Should _____ be pushed?" and the obligatory "Yeah, off a cliff/out the door" responses that follow. I'm surprised you took it this seriously considering the fact that you were jerking off all over the place for that heart-attack segment.

see?, this is the part where I can hardly take your post seriously, the tone of the whole response seems completely hostile even tho I said that sure you don't like it, not everybody does, but you seem to not only dislike cm punk the character but you legit hate the persons guts, I dislike John cena the character like nobody else, but I admit the wrestler, the person itself has talent, is a workhorse and it's overall a nice guy, you seem to just hate cm punk whatever he is, to the point where most people could think that if you see him in the streets you would shoot him on sight

and what's funny that even tho you say in past conversations that everything is mostly your opinion you keep pushing everything you say as a fact regarding him, that's what I meant that people hardly take post like that seriously because they seem outright trollish

[swagger_ROCKS]

Originally Posted by ToxieDogg

Which is why I put a lot of the blame on guys current Raw head writer Dave Kapoor (best known for his on screen appearences as Khali's manager 'Ranjin Singh') rather than guys like Brian Gerwitz who got fired last time Vince had a rant about low ratings. Kapoor must really lick a lot of ass in WWE The AJ/Cena angle in particular is shit, and I'm surprised Cena agreed to do it even with the added perk of getting to grope and kiss AJ.

Amongst other things, one of the worst descisions Vince ever made was putting Stephanie as Executive Vice President of Creative. Much easier to blame other people and bury your head in the sand at corporate meetings claiming that you're happy with the ratings rather than blame daddy's little girl though .

AJ and Cena don't have chemistry like AJ and DB. Cena can't really act out these more dramatic storylines or make it convincing. But even that's not it. Whole thing is random as fuck and seems like it's leading absolutely nowhere, which is what will probably end up happening, just like the embrace the hate, bigger picture, conspiracy, and the whole Cena losing to Rock.

Also, like what Starbuck said, not many peeps are able to carry the show on their name alone, and those people are, Orton, Punk, and Cena, these dudes have been run dry, and it's looking bad. The show needs a big direction change because their doesn't seem to be much star power at all anymore. As for Steph, LOL forgot she was in charge of creative. I remember someone mentioning that to me, but geez, some of this shit....

[murder]

Originally Posted by moonmop

But to be honest I'm not sure how much Vince and Co pay attention to these ratings anymore.

Oh, Vince does care for ratings. If not, he wouldn't freak out over a 2.5 rating like he did a few weeks ago. And more importantly, the network cares about ratings.