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post #7911 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-21-2012, 01:35 AM
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Too much "wrestling" on RAW last night casual fans care about storylines not in ring action
ya indeed no doubt, and shitty wrestling to. not even good matches boring as fuck etc. What I dont get is vince mcmahon doesnt want to be considered a ''wrestling company'' and considers everyone superstars and not wrestlers. yet he gives us this shit lol.

people want to see good violent ass shit with storylines, not the shit they give now. its a damn shame really. how things are. I mean who the fuck wants to watch boring fake fighting? I want to see good fake fighting with violent shit and nice over the top storylines. If I want to watch fightingw with no storylines I watch the ufc... vinnce mac is so out of touch with shit or just idk hes so fuckin stupid its sad.
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I have to agree with this despite being a proponent for more wrestling. I don't know what was worse: the complete lack of storyline buildup or promo time for upper-midcarders like Orton, Del Rio, Barrett, Kingston, Hell No, Sheamus, or Sandow or the three unknown guys who attacked one of your title contenders literally not appearing except at the very end to rehash what they did last night?

Honestly, the company really should be using its lowercarders/lower-midcarders to carry a big portion the TV wrestling and focus on getting their uppercard guys in storylines. The current product throws many of their supposed "top" guys in pointless matches with each other so match they almost feel like full on midcarders compared to Cena/Punk/Ryback.
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A lot of long wrestling matches that mean nothing = low ratings.

People need a story to get invested in a match. Thats the structure of wrestling since the late 60's. You'd think WWE would know that.

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From a storyline perspective WWE is always at its best when they have a storyline that carries from the beginning of the show to the end. Right now they have that with the AJ/Cena/Dolph/Vickie storyline. The storyline is still brewing. This angle can get more ratings in if it gets edgier. That started with the kiss (which I know you Daniel Bryan fans loved!). Vickie mention something about a picture -- perhaps that picture should be of a nude AJ (censored of course). That will be intriguing to fans. I realize it's a cheap way to more viewers, but WWE needs to do something big in order to hold their audience until the new year starts.


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You can't blame one man for an entire show number. It's the product that is the blame.
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post #7916 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-21-2012, 04:59 AM
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The periodic drop in ratings from 1998 is not because the company is dying. It is because of the way we now consume media largely coupled with wrestling not being quite as popular, less important.

ZOMGZZ RATINGS DROPPED 21% FROM 2000 TO 2001, COMPANY WAS DYING THEN TOO!!

They've only dropped 15% since 2007, a 6 year period



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3 hours is really killing them. For a show that's aimed at kids I would not be surprised if it's the kids tuning out to go to bed or whatever. I personally have never watched the entirety of the 3 hour show, just record it and skim through it the next day. If I do that and I'm a supposed member of the IWC, imagine the casuals/kiddies.

Punk is red hot right now, anyone who doesn't see that is someone who dislikes him. That's cool, each to their own, but this ratings thing needs to be looked at logically and not through eyes of hate.

If Monday night was a two hour show it would of been amazing. We get about an hour of boring SD feuds like Orton against Barret/Del Rio for the 50,000th time and directionless tag team stuff. Add in tout and millions of ad breaks.






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i just sit at home and watch the tickets being sold off the ticketmaster website to see whos drawing

sometimes if the show is in town, i feel extra daring and go to the arena and watch them sell tickets IN PERSON

other day i started jerking off in the ticket both at all that DRAWING and had to be escorted out of the arena

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I love these threads when people are crying because Punk is breaking records. Hilarious how the show has such an effect on people that even those that claim they don't even watch get upset.

The big problem for WWE is obviously the overall writing direction (or rather lack thereof). The three hours doesn't help, but it's just another function of the writing since it has to do with dragging out material that's not even enough for two hours.

But who knows, it might be looking up in some ways. Apart from the same simple-minded people that whine about the same thing week in and week out there's actually been an insurgence of anticipation among many people here. Perhaps WWE can finally capitalize a bit on that?
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The periodic drop in ratings from 1998 is not because the company is dying. It is because of the way we now consume media largely coupled with wrestling not being quite as popular, less important.

ZOMGZZ RATINGS DROPPED 21% FROM 2000 TO 2001, COMPANY WAS DYING THEN TOO!!

They've only dropped 15% since 2007, a 6 year period
You completely missed the point of what I'm trying to get at by posting the Raw ratings since 1998.

I've already said that I understand why ratings dropped at the start of the decade. The 'Attitude Era' boom period being over was the single biggest reason for that. I've also said that ratings for a good few years remained pretty much on an even keel and were pretty much what you'd expect.

But asides from the increase in 2009, we are now really starting to see noticeable ratings drops in line with the show actually getting shittier and more and more people complaining about it. You can deny that if you want but the evidence is all there.

I often see people saying 'the way we now consume media has changed' as a defence for ratings this year being so bad. It's 2012. People didn't just suddenly start DVR'ing and watching shows online recently. I was DVR'ing Raw back in 2004. The shit they're putting out now is baffling most people (who can't understand why something that entertained them a lot not so long back in, say 2005 for instance barely entertains them at all now) and slowly but surely turning them away once their ingrained fanboy loyalty to WWE finally burns out. There are numerous and severe problems with the direction WWE have taken their product in recent times (not least of all the shows now being 3 hours and mostly full of 'filler' crap), and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they continue to shed viewers more quickly over the next couple of years than they have done over the entire last decade unless they do something about it.


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Cena's drawing power has been slowly but surely dying over the past 2 or 3 years. He isn't able to get by on his name alone anymore because he's been over-saturated to the point of near irrelevance tbh. He isn't the powerhouse TV draw he used to be. People aren't buying it anymore. Yeah, he's still the best they currently have and the best full time guy they have but that isn't saying much when things are slipping and continue to slip like they are. I've always said that Punk isn't a ratings killer but at the same time he sure as hell isn't helping matters at all. Well at this point, Cena, in his current form, isn't helping things either. The entire product is stale and completely lifeless. The Rock's, Brock's HHH's and Undertaker's are only band aids to the real problem. When they're gone, the problem still exists. Until they fix that, things will continue to drop.

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