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Old 11-20-2012, 09:25 PM   #7901 (permalink)
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I'm surprised this year's average is as high as 3.06. But we've still got another month and a half to go yet to get it down into those 2s before 2013. Certainly seems to be the goal WWE are aiming for at the moment.
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Current year's Raw average is 3.06 (Edit: Beaten to it)

2009 had Orton/McMahons and Taker/HBK for the 2-3 out of the first 4 months that did great business for ratings. Orton was red-hot and his feud with HHH even after HHH returned still did great ratings from what I can tell. Orton/Cena dropped the ratings a bit but they were still average for the time. Not to mention the return of DX surely had some impact. Plus despite how terrible they were, I'd think that the guest hosts did have some impact, bringing in some of their respective fanbases to watch them on Raw. I know ZZ Top being Guest Hosts one week got my dad to watch the show as he's a huge ZZ Top fan (bar Summerslam 2005 and a handful of shows including the ZZ Top Guest Host one, he hasn't watched an inkling of wrestling in 10+ years).

Batista's heel turn and Hardy's run was on SD anyway.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:31 PM   #7904 (permalink)
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Current year's Raw average is 3.06 (Edit: Beaten to it)

2009 had Orton/McMahons and Taker/HBK for the 2-3 out of the first 4 months that did great business for ratings. Orton was red-hot and his feud with HHH even after HHH returned still did great ratings from what I can tell. Orton/Cena dropped the ratings a bit but they were still average for the time. Not to mention the return of DX surely had some impact.

Batista's heel turn and Hardy's run was on SD anyway.
True. I was just trying to think off the top of my head for a moment what happened in WWE in 2009 that I enjoyed. I don't even watch Smackdown at all anymore because it's become so bad, so just shows what a huge difference a couple of years can make if they don't get their finger out of their ass and improve Raw.
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He's pushed way more than he should be, that's for sure. A one year+ long title reign... legends with a shitload more talent than him like Stone Cold, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle never had a title reign this long yet this joke has it. And if you suggest Cena is more pushed than him, that might have been true in the past but it definitely isn't anymore. The last few months it's been nothing but PUNK, PUNK, PUNK while Cena is stuck in some stupid angle with AJ and gets put in title matches just to bump the buyrates. It's not wrong at all.
Yeah, but all this reign has proved is that the number of days means absolutely nothing in a reign. Mick Foley was champion for maximum 2 and a half weeks at most, and his reigns were extremely memorable and worthy. So why does it matter? Let them think it does, we, as the fans, know it doesn't.

And for the record, it hasn't been the past few months. Cena and Punk fought at NoC and were supposed to fight again at HIAC, but Cena's elbow fucked that up. This shitty AJ angle has only been around for 3-4 weeks, which is hardly months. Now because you hate Punk, it may seem like he's been pushed more than Cena in the past few months, but really, things haven't changed that much. Plus, how can you compare a short amount of time of stronger booking to 7 years?

Punk's year long reign hasn't been very memorable, you're right. And yes, he has received an incredible push despite not proving that he's that much of a draw. However, he has a far way to go before he reaches Cena levels. Let him take on and eventually beat an entire main event heel stable by himself for a few months, work his way up to 10 title reigns and main event 9/10 PPVs over the WWE champion and then maybe we can talk.

@ToxieDogg Its a real shame pro wrestling doesn't have a draft like the MLB, NHL, NBA or NFL. That way, the excuse for aiming to do shitty is to get a top pick to turn things around next season. In this case, though...I don't know if its deliberate or just extreme incompetence.
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He's pushed way more than he should be, that's for sure. A one year+ long title reign... legends with a shitload more talent than him like Stone Cold, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle never had a title reign this long yet this joke has it. And if you suggest Cena is more pushed than him, that might have been true in the past but it definitely isn't anymore. The last few months it's been nothing but PUNK, PUNK, PUNK while Cena is stuck in some stupid angle with AJ and gets put in title matches just to bump the buyrates. It's not wrong at all.
I hate Punk a lot but this isnt fair. You cant blame Punk for keeping the title for so long. That is the WWE's fault for having such a shit roster. All those guys you named had much more competition then Punk has. That is why their reigns were not as long. Who was Punk supposed to drop the title to? Ziggler, who at the time was a pure midcarder with nothing under his belt. Or Jericho, who was well past his prime, and only came back to Put Punk over. How about Daniel Bryan, and guy that was not ready in my opinion. Or a green Ryback maybe? Or how about Miz when he was jobbing left and right to everyone?
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Yeah, but all this reign has proved is that the number of days means absolutely nothing in a reign. Mick Foley was champion for maximum 2 and a half weeks at most, and his reigns were extremely memorable and worthy. So why does it matter? Let them think it does, we, as the fans, know it doesn't.

And for the record, it hasn't been the past few months. Cena and Punk fought at NoC and were supposed to fight again at HIAC, but Cena's elbow fucked that up. This shitty AJ angle has only been around for 3-4 weeks, which is hardly months. Now because you hate Punk, it may seem like he's been pushed more than Cena in the past few months, but really, things haven't changed that much. Plus, how can you compare a short amount of time of stronger booking to 7 years?

Punk's year long reign hasn't been very memorable, you're right. And yes, he has received an incredible push despite not proving that he's that much of a draw. However, he has a far way to go before he reaches Cena levels. Let him take on and eventually beat an entire main event heel stable by himself for a few months, work his way up to 10 title reigns and main event 9/10 PPVs over the WWE champion and then maybe we can talk..
@ the bold, I was not comparing them and I am talking about PRESENT, not the past. Whatever has happened in seven years is irrelevant to what is happening NOW and right now, Punk is getting overpushed (any push not down a sewer is an overpush for him IMO, though) while Cena is played second fiddle just like smarks have begged for years.

And I really don't want Punk to have 10 title reigns, that would only destroy the championship even further and kill any credibility it has. After this 14 months of boredom, I really hope Punk never gets another title run or only a short one at best. If you're talking about comparing the pushes. Again, that's not what I was doing, I was only talking PRESENT and since Cena's elbow injury, he's played third wheel to Punk and Ryback. That would be two months.

As for the length not mattering, you're right that it doesn't matter. But I also think it should be justified through the guy having it being talented enough or a draw and in my opinion, Punk is neither (although the latter is a fact).
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@ the bold, I was not comparing them and I am talking about PRESENT, not the past. Whatever has happened in seven years is irrelevant to what is happening NOW and right now, Punk is getting overpushed (any push not down a sewer is an overpush for him IMO, though) while Cena is played second fiddle just like smarks have begged for years.

And I really don't want Punk to have 10 title reigns, that would only destroy the championship even further and kill any credibility it has. After this 14 months of boredom, I really hope Punk never gets another title run or only a short one at best. If you're talking about comparing the pushes. Again, that's not what I was doing, I was only talking PRESENT and since Cena's elbow injury, he's played third wheel to Punk and Ryback. That would be two months.

As for the length not mattering, you're right that it doesn't matter. But I also think it should be justified through the guy having it being talented enough or a draw and in my opinion, Punk is neither (although the latter is a fact).
jesus christ, I get you don't like punk, not everyone does, but some of the thing you say in all of your different punk diatribes are borderline ridiculous, it's like you legit hate the guy and want him to die or something out of some personal spite :
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