[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by THANOS

Dude your posts in here have really went downhill in the past few weeks. Trying to extrapolate excuses some Punk fans have for the ratings to make it seem like a majority response , when it's quite obvious to everyone with two eyes that its the opposite with people lining up to take shots at Punk.

But he's right. Punk is still not a draw because overall viewership says so. His segments gaining is just among the last group of viewers, who will obviously be more interested in the developed storyline as opposed to watching a random Kofi Kingston match or Alberto Del Rio squashing a jobber. For how many weeks have the ratings been in the 2 zone now? That's pretty much it. I wont call Punk the "rating killer" since the shows overall suck but he's certainly not a draw just because his segments gain while every other filler spot loses.

[KO Bossy]

I'd just like to point out to SinJokel that yes, Lawler's return was the draw in that segment, not Punk. And the segment probably did well.

Now let's rewind. In the past there are lots of segments where Punk hasn't been scheduled to come out. Then he does, unannounced, same as he did Monday. Except that segment bombed in the ratings. Now in this situation, all of the morons who will do anything to discredit Punk, will suddenly blame Punk for how bad the segment did.

So...which is it? Punk isn't announced to come out and does + segment does well=Punk wasn't the draw of the segment, it was something else. Punk isn't announced to come out and does + segment does poorly=See? That rating was all Punk's fault.

How some of you cretins can follow such baffling, stupid logic is beyond me.

[Wrestlinfan35]

Actually, Punk's promo went the entire 9-9:15 quarter, along with Mick Foley coming out. Lawler's promo was the one that lasted a few minutes.

If the segment does well, all three men should get credit. Stop being biased trolls for once, even though practically all 7700 posts in this thread are just that.

[Jotunheim]

Originally Posted by KO Bossy

I'd just like to point out to SinJokel that yes, Lawler's return was the draw in that segment, not Punk. And the segment probably did well.

Now let's rewind. In the past there are lots of segments where Punk hasn't been scheduled to come out. Then he does, unannounced, same as he did Monday. Except that segment bombed in the ratings. Now in this situation, all of the morons who will do anything to discredit Punk, will suddenly blame Punk for how bad the segment did.

So...which is it? Punk isn't announced to come out and does + segment does well=Punk wasn't the draw of the segment, it was something else. Punk isn't announced to come out and does + segment does poorly=See? That rating was all Punk's fault.

How some of you cretins can follow such baffling, stupid logic is beyond me.

that's why you treat them like the clowns they are, the more they go far and beyond to prove their point, the easier they look like trolls and the easier everyone will see them for what they are

Originally Posted by nikola123

mommy,big bad man hurt my feelings

[SinJackal]

Originally Posted by KO Bossy

I'd just like to point out to SinJokel that yes, Lawler's return was the draw in that segment, not Punk. And the segment probably did well.

Now let's rewind. In the past there are lots of segments where Punk hasn't been scheduled to come out. Then he does, unannounced, same as he did Monday. Except that segment bombed in the ratings. Now in this situation, all of the morons who will do anything to discredit Punk, will suddenly blame Punk for how bad the segment did.

So...which is it? Punk isn't announced to come out and does + segment does well=Punk wasn't the draw of the segment, it was something else. Punk isn't announced to come out and does + segment does poorly=See? That rating was all Punk's fault.

How some of you cretins can follow such baffling, stupid logic is beyond me.

Putting your lame childish insult attempts aside, your reply to me would be a relevant thing for you to complain about if I actually said all those things. I've never come on here and bemoan one of Punk's segments for being ratings failures. Feel free to check back in the thread, you won't find any posts stating that. The only things I've said about Punk here were pretty much along the same lines, questioning people's thought process for solely crediting Punk for segments with other people (Vince, Cena, Ryback), and acting like the other guy was little to no factor (which is pretty much the most common post regarding Punk in this thread. Crediting him more than his share for everything good ratings-wise, excuse-making for everything bad).

I'm sure you're angry about seeing other people do what you're talking about, but don't lump everyone into the same category. When you reply to a single person, you aren't replying to "the IWC", I'm not their spokesman dude. Nor am I one of the people who talked about some Punk segment that bombed. Tbh, I'm not even sure what segment you're referring to that Punk bombed in. I don't remember ever seeing any Punk segments with ratings losses. I've seen some with small gains, but that's the worst of it.

But yes, if Punk comes out unannounced (mid-segment, not right at the beginning or less than a minute into one), whether it's a ratings success or ratings failure, it's not logical to credit or discredit him for the ratings. Though if he comes out at the start of a segment (such as less than a minute into it and is the focus of the segment, even unadvertised), he can be blamed if people tune out. If he comes out advertised, and ratings tank, then it's definitely his fault (or anyone else in the same situation). Of course, again, I've never seen a Punk segment lose viewers, though I don't check the ratings very often. Mayybe 5-10% of the time.

Originally Posted by Jotunheim

aaaaand, reported, thanks for making my and mods jobs so easy

@ how mad this kid is for getting exposed for being a Punk mark troll.

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by THANOS

Dude your posts in here have really went downhill in the past few weeks. Trying to extrapolate excuses some Punk fans have for the ratings to make it seem like a majority response , when it's quite obvious to everyone with two eyes that its the opposite with people lining up to take shots at Punk.

Why so serious? I could swear that I've seen you say that ratings don't matter. Why then are you in here getting butthurt over something that supposedly doesn't matter to you? Calm down plz and stop taking it all so personally. I'm not trying to do anything. You obviously disagree with what I'm saying. Doesn't mean I have some ulterior motive going on. Fucking hell.

EXTRAPOLATE

[THANOS]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

But he's right. Punk is still not a draw because overall viewership says so. His segments gaining is just among the last group of viewers, who will obviously be more interested in the developed storyline as opposed to watching a random Kofi Kingston match or Alberto Del Rio squashing a jobber. For how many weeks have the ratings been in the 2 zone now? That's pretty much it. I wont call Punk the "rating killer" since the shows overall suck but he's certainly not a draw just because his segments gain while every other filler spot loses.

If the overall viewership determines it then no one is a draw on the current roster including Cena, because no matter how much his or Punk's segments gain, the OVERALL viewership is low so they're not draws by your logic. You seem to understand that there are other aspects of the show that occur randomly with no purpose that sink the ratings, yet still seem unwilling to place any validation on people that cause consistent gains on the tired and drawn out show.

The biggest draw factor on the entire show are the, albeit rare but, good storylines. They hardly ever occur but when they do, those are the only things that cause consistent growth in this era. Create creative storylines for everyone on the roster and the ratings will sort themselves out.

[#1Peep4ever]

this thread once was funny
now i am just checking for the breakdowns though its kinda hard to NOT read the comments
kinda like a solar eclipse... i know i shouldnt but i cant help but read them

[THANOS]

Originally Posted by Starbuck

Why so serious? I could swear that I've seen you say that ratings don't matter. Why then are you in here getting butthurt over something that supposedly doesn't matter to you? Calm down plz and stop taking it all so personally. I'm not trying to do anything. You obviously disagree with what I'm saying. Doesn't mean I have some ulterior motive going on. Fucking hell.

EXTRAPOLATE

They don't matter to my enjoyment and never will, but it doesn't mean I have forbid myself from discussing them . In response to the rest of what you said, if you really want to see a post about taking things personally, you should hold a hand mirror in front of your computer. You gotta admit that that was a pretty defensive post dude

[The Lady Killer]

When the 1000th episode of Raw (w/advertisements of DX, Rock, wedding, BROCK, etc) can only get you a high 3.x rating, I'm not sure how anyone expects your run-of-the-mill episode to draw anything above a low 3.x. None of the current crop of wrestlers are huge ratings juggernauts. Cena/Punk/etc sell merch and tickets, but television ratings are stagnant regardless of who is being advertised. Not sure why so much nitpicking goes on about who caused a fucking .1 increase/decrease from week to week.