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Old 11-08-2012, 06:53 AM   #7621 (permalink)
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You're watching a wrestling program. If you can accept a deadguy as a believable character you should be able to give most things a go. Ryback is a huge dominating monster. He doesn't need to talk to get his character across. He goes to the ring, he destroys people, he chants and he leaves. He isn't wildly sophisticated or complex. That's what he does. It's simple and it has appeal otherwise he wouldn't be over and people wouldn't care. Like I said before, is he taking the wrestling world by storm and causing a revolution in viewership with his push? No. But CM Punk didn't last year and neither did Randy Orton the year before that when Raw was all about him. He's something different and I'm not about to hate on somebody because of their catchphrase of all things.
As I said, I don't accept Taker as believable these days (it was a different environment when he had his debut), I just try to ignore that aspect when he's on. I do the same with Ryback, but if someone states that he has a believable character (which was what happened here) I'll disagree.

As for Ryback not bringing a revolution of ratings I don't care. I've never faulted wrestlers for not being big draws as that's irrelevant to whether I enjoy what they do. Ratings are only relevant to me as a way to help me predict what WWE will do.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:02 AM   #7622 (permalink)
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As I said, I don't accept Taker as believable these days (it was a different environment when he had his debut), I just try to ignore that aspect when he's on. I do the same with Ryback, but if someone states that he has a believable character (which was what happened here) I'll disagree.

As for Ryback not bringing a revolution of ratings I don't care. I've never faulted wrestlers for not being big draws as that's irrelevant to whether I enjoy what they do. Ratings are only relevant to me as a way to help me predict what WWE will do.
You don't accept Taker as a believable character? If that's the case then I don't even know how you can watch wrestling tbh. That character is probably the most ridiculous thing ever but it works and has worked for years because of the way WWE have presented it to us. But if you don't buy Taker then yeah, I can see how you won't buy Ryback.

I don't care either. This misconception that people who discuss ratings only mark for those who draw is fucking ridiculous. I've never faulted wrestlers for not being big draws because it's also irrelevant to whether I enjoy what they do. Most of the people in here don't do that either. I was merely commenting on jbldvx's obvious bias for Punk and against Ryback. Ryback loses viewers and he's pathetic. Punk loses viewers and it isn't his fault.
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Cena and ryback with the ratings.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:18 AM   #7624 (permalink)
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You don't accept Taker as a believable character? If that's the case then I don't even know how you can watch wrestling tbh. That character is probably the most ridiculous thing ever but it works and has worked for years because of the way WWE have presented it to us. But if you don't buy Taker then yeah, I can see how you won't buy Ryback.

I don't care either. This misconception that people who discuss ratings only mark for those who draw is fucking ridiculous. I've never faulted wrestlers for not being big draws because it's also irrelevant to whether I enjoy what they do. Most of the people in here don't do that either. I was merely commenting on jbldvx's obvious bias for Punk and against Ryback. Ryback loses viewers and he's pathetic. Punk loses viewers and it isn't his fault.
No, I think it clashes with how the WWE presents its environment today. I watched when he made his debut and it worked on a different level then because of two things. First is of course that I was a kid, and second it was in a time where the gimmicks were really exaggerated. These days the wrestlers are presented more as normal people, which makes it really weird that there's an undead guy with magic walking around. Since WWE tries to be more a part of the normal world (presenting the wrestlers as athletes like in any sport) an undead guy would cause some extreme reactions by the world. As I said I can ignore that and find entertainment in it as an isolated thing though.

When it comes to Ryback the believable thing isn't that big for me, I'm just not a fan of what he does. Both in terms of his abilities (in the ring and his mannerisms) and that he's booked in the way that I find the most boring. I want to see wrestling where the matches are full team efforts to make both guys look good while telling a story. Squash matches doesn't display the art of wrestling very well for me and it's all about the ride since the destination is less impressive in a scripted sport. I of course had the same problem with Goldberg, although he was one of the few that could impress me with some really nice power moves.

The best part about Ryback in terms of ratings discussions is that since he's been pushed and not really changing anything the constant "Punk can't draw" discussions seem to have ebbed out to a large degree. I find the discussions now a bit more to the point of what I think is relevant.
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The biggest problem I see with Ryback is that he's perhaps the hollowest performer on the entire roster right now. His character has no depth. He does the exact same act every single week, and that consists of awkwardly stomping around, waving his arms, shouting "FEED ME MORE" and hitting all three of his moves. There's no substance to that and it's something that could get old very quickly.

Perhaps more worrying is that when you delve deeper, there's the possibility that Ryback can't be fleshed out. For a guy that's been wrestling ten years, he's not very good. His performances in the ring are questionable and I'm not convinced that he'll ever truly succeed at anything more than he's doing right now. It's going to be interesting to see how he fairs in the deep waters, because there obviously will come at time when he has to cut a proper promo, carry a feud or... shock horror... wrestle a match.

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Gotta love how when Punk is in a match/segment with Cena/pretty much anyone, it's all Cena's/their doing doing, but when Ryback is, he's suddenly a ratings success. And now he's apparently getting credit for a strong HIAC buyrate? I like Ryback, but the HIAC buyrate had as much to do with Punk as Ryback, not to mention the fact for the first time ever (I think) it was 6 weeks after the previous PPV, which I'm sure had something to do with it.

Personally I consider both of them draws on about the same level (for different reasons of course), but I do have to lol at the attempts to overlook whenever Punk may have influence on the main event, including this week, including last last... hell including the last several weeks. But then Ryback gets credit when he's been just as inconsistent (gains one week, loses the next, etc.)
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Gotta love how when Punk is in a match/segment with Cena/pretty much anyone, it's all Cena's/their doing doing, but when Ryback is, he's suddenly a ratings success. And now he's apparently getting credit for a strong HIAC buyrate? I like Ryback, but the HIAC buyrate had as much to do with Punk as Ryback, not to mention the fact for the first time ever (I think) it was 6 weeks after the previous PPV, which I'm sure had something to do with it.

Personally I consider both of them draws on about the same level (for different reasons of course), but I do have to lol at the attempts to overlook whenever Punk may have influence on the main event, including this week, including last last... hell including the last several weeks. But then Ryback gets credit when he's been just as inconsistent (gains one week, loses the next, etc.)
The people giving Ryback credit are joking...I think. Punk's a bigger draw than Ryback imo but that's not saying much. Both of them are wildly inconsistent and obviously need a lot of help to produce any significant sort of number. I'd attribute the HIAC buyrate to the fact that Punk was legitimately in danger of losing his title for the second time in his reign. The first was against Cena and this time it was Ryback. For all his other matches everybody knew he was going to win. People genuinely didn't know who would win that one though and it was a fresh match. Both of them get the credit as far as I'm concerned along with the intriguing story behind it all.

And you must have missed the part where people were calling Ryback pathetic whilst marking for DAT RATINGS MACHINE CM PUNK. Don't act like there aren't double standards on both sides. Fact is, nobody draws anymore. Cena has the ability to bump numbers when they give him something decent but even he's not making as much of a dent as he used to. 3 hours is killing them.
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The people giving Ryback credit are joking...I think. Punk's a bigger draw than Ryback imo but that's not saying much. Both of them are wildly inconsistent and obviously need a lot of help to produce any significant sort of number. I'd attribute the HIAC buyrate to the fact that Punk was legitimately in danger of losing his title for the second time in his reign. The first was against Cena and this time it was Ryback. For all his other matches everybody knew he was going to win. People genuinely didn't know who would win that one though and it was a fresh match. Both of them get the credit as far as I'm concerned along with the intriguing story behind it all.

And you must have missed the part where people were calling Ryback pathetic whilst marking for DAT RATINGS MACHINE CM PUNK. Don't act like there aren't double standards on both sides. Fact is, nobody draws anymore. Cena has the ability to bump numbers when they give him something decent but even he's not making as much of a dent as he used to. 3 hours is killing them.
Well you were covering the double standards on the other side, so I decided to cover the side.

I'm certain Rock316AE wasn't joking, and I'm certain that's the case for a few others at least (I'm sure there were some joking though). But who's to say those marking for Punk drawing and saying Ryback is pathetic aren't joking either? It works both ways on all levels, does it not?

But eh, I'm a mark for Punk, a fan of Ryback, and I'm happy their HIAC buyrate did well and segments/matches involving the two of them seem to be doing well, even if it the gains may be due to Cena/Vince/whoever else is there/whatever other circumstances there are.
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