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Old 10-28-2012, 05:00 PM   #7461 (permalink)
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No, because if Cena turned heel, then he'd just be booed by kids and cheered by adults.
We're talking about viewership. And it depends how he's booked. If he insults the crowd hard enough and wrestles like crap he ain't getting praised by the adults.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:03 PM   #7462 (permalink)
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you say its critical if cena turns heel so what if he quit or had a serious injury or had a car smash. surly the wwe have looked at ifs and buts and surly there is a plan b if anything did happen to cena.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:08 PM   #7463 (permalink)
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the more i think about the more i dont want it any more
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:13 PM   #7464 (permalink)
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I agree roadkill_. It makes sense. A Cena heel turn is what fans who have tuned out but check up desperately want, and what regular fans for a majority desperately want. It would not cause a massive boom era like Hulk Hogan's, due to Wrestling just not being that mainstream anymore, aswell as the fact Cena is not as big as Hulk Hogan was at all. As for how it would be done. It needs to be a slow build, that teeters to keep people guessing, then just goes all out with a bang. Although, ratings could also be increased by having decent creative and booking. But nothing will change.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:15 PM   #7465 (permalink)
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oh, a john cena heel turn thread. HOW FUCKING ORIGINAL
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:20 PM   #7466 (permalink)
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The WWE need to be competent enough to do the heel turn correctly, and considering they can't do anything right at the moment, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Besides, one heel turn isn't going to a fix a product which is a fucked from top to bottom.
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:26 PM   #7467 (permalink)
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1 man and his turn doesn't equal ratings! Do you think people who don't care about wrestling will suddenly care? no. Wrestling is not cool anymore. Do you honestly believe a heel turn will improve creative and the booking?

1 man doesn't equal ratings! Get over it. If Cena is such a draw why do we have such low ratings? do you think because he doesn't have a championship belt, people would start watching again? So get off this is he/isn't he a draw. You draw and fail collectively not as individuals.

Even during the beloved Attitude era you had Austin, Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Kane, Jericho etc. collectively they all could draw if you had a show with the same low-mid cards and same writers as today but Austin was on top of the card do you think it would of drawn? no. The reason it did draw the ratings it did was because of everyone who performed as well as the backstage crew. Which made for an entertaining show.

Individually 1 person can draw but it won't make much difference to the overall ratings. To make a 3.5-4.0 you need more than 1 person. Especially over 3 hours. Cm Punk drew me back to wrestling but how come the ratings haven't went up? To every 1 person who is happy with a decision there's another guy who's pissed about it.
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I just wonder what else is there for a face Cena to do? Just think of all of the fresh storylines creative could draw up using a heel or anti-hero Cena. Putting the next 'top face' in a feud with a nearly unstoppable heel Cena not long after his debut would be great way to foreshadow the future of the WWE's Main Event Scene like the backstage encounter Cena had with the Undertaker after his debut match against Kurt Angle.
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Now granted, WWE would lose merchandise sales with this.
Do you realize how much Cena as he is now is worth to the WWE?

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The idea of turning him heel is ludicrous when looking at numbers like that.
For this simple reason alone, they will not turn him heel.
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Do you realize how much Cena as he is now is worth to the WWE?

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For this simple reason alone, they will not turn him heel.
Actually Dave Meltzer debunked that claim when the report originally came out...

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Let me know when some of the reporters using that figure use their brain and realize how completely full of shit it is.

No one person is responsible for 22% of company revenue. The very idea of it is preposterous. If Cena is moving $106 million in anything, he should be earning $40-50 million a year instead of a small fraction of that.

That's like in 1991 when some similar full of shit report talked about how WWF was a $1.7 billion dollar a year company and it got repeated everywhere when the company actually only grossed $125 million the previous year.

I know it was on our site as well.

Look at WWE revenues by category and see what Cena meant.

He means a little bit on house shows, a little bit on PPV, a little on DVDs (the majority of which he's only a part of or not even a part of at all), he means virtually nothing when it comes to the TV money which is under contract whether he's with the company or not and doesn't go up when he's there and down when he's not there.

This isn't a guy who is the difference between 250,000 buys and 800,000 buys. And while his merch moves. Total merch for last year was $45 million so even if he means 20% of that, you're still talking $8 million.

The best you're getting is Cena means maybe 5% of total revenue of $478 million or $24 million, and that's giving him the benefit of a lot of numbers that may not be warranted and giving him 20% of merch which is a shot in the dark number likely way higher than the real number.

I know it was on this site as well. I saw that figure and I just thought, common sense says it's a full of shit number and moved on. Then when everyone started going with it, I satdown and tried to figure if it was possible, and it's not.
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