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Old 10-25-2012, 10:26 AM   #7371 (permalink)
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I don't have to try hard because the numbers speak for themselves. I'm simply looking at the ratings and comparing them to what's happening in the show, and looking at who's getting the most air time and who's supposed to be the main draw. My only "agenda" here is to view and speak my observation about the numbers in a logical way, whereas your agenda is to rationalize them and make excuses for Punk.

It's a logical way of looking at it. Not a biased agenda way (an example of that would be blaming anything but Punk like you've done). If the show is tanking while a specific guy is having the show centered around him, whereas it never tanked this hard before that (including with the 3 hour Raw) in 15 years, it's logical to assume that it's at least in part, his fault. You can't say "the entire show sucks and that's why", when the show's been a better draw for 5 straight years.

Ratings (and buyrates) also tanked before when Punk was the main star instead of Cena. That's why WWE kept putting Cena back in the main event. So this is not the first time it's happened either. And it happened before the 3 hour Raw change. Here's a history of Raw ratings: http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2011-ratings/

Notice how when Punk takes over as champ, the ratings start slipping down, then consistently drop below 3. Raw's ratings have been trending down ever since Punk got the WWE title back. The only times they went up was when The Rock and Brock Lesnar came back to main event with John Cena. As soon as Brock left, ratings crashed down again with Punk as the star and stayed down. A couple months later, the 3 hour Raws started airing. And the ratings for those Raws didn't start out bad either.


Also, wrong, my point would not "only be valid if Punk's segments were losing numbers". That's ridiculous. My point would be valid if Punk's segments didn't gain big numbers or didn't have a high rating. And most of them don't unless he's in the typical "viewers go up at this point" segments, such as the overrun which I've never seen lose viewers. And btw, ratings are bad even during Punk's segments. The high point was 2.9. 2.9 would be considered a failure for an overall Raw episode as recent as last year, much less at the "high point of the show"!. I gave you the ratings list, so you should know that isn't an agenda comment, it's just the truth. If you could find a compiled 2012 list, I'd bet anything it'd show bad overall ratings any time Punk is spotlighted and Cena isn't. Just like PPV buys were worst when Punk main evented and best when Cena did.

If the ratings were great, Punk would be getting the credit for it since he's the main star. You'd probably be one of the ones saying it. I would also admit that Punk was a good draw despite the fact that I wasn't a fan (exactly the same way I admit Cena is a good draw despite the fact that I am not a fan). But they're not great, they're bad. Therefore he deserves the most blame since he's aired more than anyone else. . . and when he does air, the ratings aren't even good during his segments. They're pretty normal if not below the usual average anyway. A 2.8-2.9 rating is not good. It's low.
FYI no I wouldn't because for one I never have cared about the ratings enough to use them to speak highly of a guy I like or down on a guy I don't like. And secondly I don't believe in basing the whole show ratings on one guy champ or not whether I like the guy or not. You seem to think this only has to do with Punk but for me it's not just about Punk I'm talking in general Punk just happens to be the guy who is getting the finger pointed at and have felt this way about ratings since I've been on wrestling forums. People watch or don't watch for their own reasoning and it's not always for the guy who is champion even if he's the world champion. Ratings is a reflection of a multitude of things and right now it's pretty undeniable it is a reflection on how 3 hours is too long on a week to week basis. Which I think WWE was prepared for given the Hulu deal that shows a cut down version of Raw. Rather than sit 3 hours through a whole show one could watch a shorter version on Hulu, dvr it and skip through some stuff, etc. To pretend this isn't the biggest factor above anything else people want to point the finger at whether it be Punk, the PG ratings, who draws or doesn't draw, etc to the ratings right now makes no sense.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:36 AM   #7372 (permalink)
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This has to be the most useless thread on the entire site. Same responses every single week from the same people, dissecting a flawed system that they probably don't understand, while simultaneously trying to convince people that Wrestler X is/isn't a draw.

Even if you crack the code, you're still just a guy on the internet spending hours of your time arguing with other people who are obsessed with how many eyeballs are currently glued to a particular television program.

It might be a moderately interesting subject if the thread wasn't inhabited by quite so many idiots. The fact that WWE have fallen in recent times is worrying/exciting/whateverthefuck, but blaming any one wrestler for the decline in viewership of a 3 hour program is borderline moronic.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:44 AM   #7373 (permalink)
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This has to be the most useless thread on the entire site. Same responses every single week from the same people, dissecting a flawed system that they probably don't understand, while simultaneously trying to convince people that Wrestler X is/isn't a draw.

Even if you crack the code, you're still just a guy on the internet spending hours of your time arguing with other people who are obsessed with how many eyeballs are currently glued to a particular television program.

It might be a moderately interesting subject if the thread wasn't inhabited by quite so many idiots. The fact that WWE have fallen in recent times is worrying/exciting/whateverthefuck, but blaming any one wrestler for the decline in viewership of a 3 hour program is borderline moronic.
Pretty much sums it up in a nutshell and what I was trying to say in my rare and last appearance in this thread. I realize this type of logical thinking wouldn't generate as much discussion but in this case it would be for the better.
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They lost viewers in nearly each quarter during the hour before the over-run. And a lot just before it. A majority of the viewers were just regains. Remember the piss poor over-run Punk/Cena had a few weeks back?
This pretty much explains it.

LOL @ Sheamus being completely no-sold for the main event and all credit going to Punk. Then Punk marks will whine if Rock316AE no-sells his presence if he has a segment with Cena/JR/Laurinaitis/Vince that gains huge.
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:50 AM   #7375 (permalink)
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I remember a report saying WWE would use the 3 hours to hype the ME a lot more. Guess they are holding true to that.
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:27 PM   #7376 (permalink)
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So WWE, still has trouble maintaining viewers through-out the show. Three hours is even worse, since they try to kill time with the under-card. They need to get it together, three hours is perhaps exposing the lack of creativity in WWEs storylines and segments. Although you don't need three hours to see that.
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:45 PM   #7377 (permalink)
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First of all, it wasn't Punk on his own and second of all, the quarter before was the lowest rated quarter hour in Raw history. It would have been terrible if they didn't pull a number like that.

2.9 was the nigh point of the show? Says it all really although there isn't much to talk about. We all knew this week was going to bomb hard and it did.
Evidently my sarcasm was somewhat lot on you...

The Punk haters on this site have no problem laying 100% of the blame on Punk when the ratings do poorly. That's been fairly well established, considering all of the comments like "2.5? Punk is just killing those ratings again" and "he's the champion, its his fault." So then the segment he was in on Monday did a good number with one of the best gains we've seen in a while. If he's apparently solely responsible for the ratings overall taking a nose dive, why isn't he also solely responsible when a segment he's in or show does a good rating or gain?

I was pointing out the double standard. When its a loss or bad rating, its Punk's fault. When its a gain or good rating, suddenly its a team effort and everyone deserves credit. Sad to say, Starbuck, but you kind of proved my point, although I'm well aware you are not one of the blind Punk haters.
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That double standard is what made this thread a sticky in the first place.
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Quarter Hours - October 22nd, 2012
Q1 - 3.44 million
Q2 - 3.40 million
Q3 - 3.93 million
Q4 - 3.55 million
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Q5 - 4.08 million
Q6/Q7 - 3.47 million
Q8 - 3.22 million
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Q9 - 3.28 million
Q10 - 3.31 million
Q11 - 2.99 million
Q12/Overrun - 4.04 million

Punk/Sheamus saved Hour 3 from being a complete embarrassment. I remember the days of seeing 4 million for most quarters and 5 million for your overruns, boy, how the dynamics have adjusted down.

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Dude Punk was out there with the entire roster.....only a blind Punk mark would give him credit with 40 guys out there....

But hey let's look at it your way. That segment was still LOWER then Vince and Paul Heyman's segment. Seeing as in the past Punk has been standing with these guys in highish rated segments it shows that people don't tune in to those segments to see Punk considering he was not in that segment this week. Vince + Heyman = ratings.
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