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Old 10-25-2012, 06:22 AM   #7361 (permalink)
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Punk getting a million viewers in that last segment is a great gain, best we've seen in a while.

Yet people say he can't draw...don't get it.
First of all, it wasn't Punk on his own and second of all, the quarter before was the lowest rated quarter hour in Raw history. It would have been terrible if they didn't pull a number like that.

2.9 was the nigh point of the show? Says it all really although there isn't much to talk about. We all knew this week was going to bomb hard and it did.
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:28 AM   #7362 (permalink)
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the quarter before was the lowest rated quarter hour in Raw history.
There have been lower quarters in history than that. Let's not exaggerate, the number is already bad enough as it is.
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:41 AM   #7363 (permalink)
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I think even Russo got 6.0 quarter hours in WCW - with behemoth competition.
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All the "oh that quarter was low so there had to be a huge gain" discussion is really worthless...that would mean with a high rating before there couldnt be any huge gains? I think we all saw good quarters before the last one and there were gains like a million as well. The viewers knew what was on the last quarter so they decided to watch it, not depending on the low quarter before.

I know that this ratings discussion is really worthless, but everyone who is speaking about them should keep his standpoint and not jumping from "oh weak gain" to "oh huge gain, but because of weak quarter before"...makes no sense at all and shows how useless this threat is Its like on Tuesdays with low hour ratings "ah we can blame wrestler xxx for that" and on Thursday with the quarter ratings its like "oh shit, makes no sense, lets blame the quarter before for the gain, see wrestler xxx still cant draw"
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Punk getting a million viewers in that last segment is a great gain, best we've seen in a while.

Yet people say he can't draw...don't get it.
They lost viewers in nearly each quarter during the hour before the over-run. And a lot just before it. A majority of the viewers were just regains. Remember the piss poor over-run Punk/Cena had a few weeks back?
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:45 AM   #7366 (permalink)
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The match between Ryback and The Miz lasted all of four minutes, immediately following that match they aired "Be A Star" video package with Stephanie and Otunga, following that backastage brawl with Eve, Layla and kaitlyn, following which josh mathews interview with Sheamus with his mattel toy. All of those lasted 12 minutes including the Ryback match. Daniel Bryan has already made his entrance two minutes before the quarter ended.

Also, agreed with Sandrone on the 8:30PM timeslot, seems like they are trying to establish that for big angles.
I'm curious how many people tuned out AFTER the Ryback match. If the dropoff occurred then, as opposed to during it. I suspect a lot of people may have stayed tuned in until Ryback's match and then left to watch the debate or MNF. If Ryback was only present during the first 1/3rd of the segment he was in, it's not logical to give him all the blame for it if WWE ran a bunch of terrible crap for 8 minutes after his match and the segment's gains/losses were merged together.

And as for the 8:30 timeslot, I think they try to start big angles there to compete with MNF since that's when the game starts.


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Raw was never 3 hours regularly when Cena was champ either.
Yet, Raw has had three hour shows several times in the past and never done that poorly. Raw's three hour show theme has been around now for months, and it's been bombing since Cena went out and Punk was the sole main event. That happened quickly too, so I don't think it's a coincidence. If you bing "wwe ratings", one of the top searches is, "WWE RAW ratings plummet with CM Punk as the main star", and that's back in May after Lesnar left and Cena was supposed to be "hurt".

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Old 10-25-2012, 09:23 AM   #7367 (permalink)
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Yet, Raw has had three hour shows several times in the past and never done that poorly. Raw's three hour show theme has been around now for months, and it's been bombing since Cena went out and Punk was the sole main event. That happened quickly too, so I don't think it's a coincidence. If you bing "wwe ratings", one of the top searches is, "WWE RAW ratings plummet with CM Punk as the main star", and that's back in May after Lesnar left and Cena was supposed to be "hurt".
It's not the same thing and you know it you're just trying hard to put over this Punk is causing the ratings to go down foolishness. Big difference between a 3 hour Raw every now and again to 3 hours every single week. Maybe you would have somewhat of a point if Punk's segments and matches were losing big numbers or numbers at all for that matter (which that whole segment by segment loss or gain thing is so flawed to me since not everyone changes the channel for the same reason) but that isn't the case as it's been the opposite actually. No one man is responsible for holding your interest in whatever else is going on during the show that he isn't involved in. Which is why this trying to blame one or give praise to one guy for the entire show is retarded but it gets done 9/10 times to either be used to diss a wrestler they don't like or stroke the ego of their a wrestler they do like. That's the only reason most people on here care about ratings to push your own little agendas whether it be praise or hate or as to why WWE sucks to them.
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Starbuck and NearFall bringing it as always. I don't get why people still argue Punk beeing a draw. He isn't the type of guy who will scare away viewers as some biased posters claim, but please tell me a single feature of him that would make a non-WWE fan tune in specifically to see him, there is none, he has very good mic skills and is doing a fine work as a heel but this is of no concern to the general public, they'd rather have a charismatic character with a unique (read: unique, not roided up) look who stands out and Punk has neither of those features, nor does he have an identifiable character, he's chickenshit heel #132998723. That said, even despite the lack of having any tangible mainstream features he still manages to at least draw above average by wrestlers standards due to Heyman involvement and storylines, but WWE really needs to use him better, and let him become something unique, give him a legit look for starters.

Now, take the rest of the roster, who also lack any mainstream abilities for the most part, but unlike Punk, have shitty storylines and no mic skills, which is why they are drawing fans away. WWE really needs to start concentrating on storylines, giving their wrestlers personalities, revamping their looks and make them stand out, that's what the WWE machine is for ffs.
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It's not the same thing and you know it you're just trying hard to put over this Punk is causing the ratings to go down foolishness. Big difference between a 3 hour Raw every now and again to 3 hours every single week. Maybe you would have somewhat of a point if Punk's segments and matches were losing big numbers or numbers at all for that matter (which that whole segment by segment loss or gain thing is so flawed to me since not everyone changes the channel for the same reason) but that isn't the case. No one man is responsible for holding your interest in whatever else is going on during the show that he isn't involved in. Which is why this trying to blame one or give praise to one guy for the entire show is retarded but it gets done 9/10 times to either be used to diss a wrestler they don't like or stroke the ego of their a wrestler they do like. That's the only reason most people on here care about ratings to push your own little agendas whether it be praise or hate or as to why WWE sucks to them.
I don't have to try hard because the numbers speak for themselves. I'm simply looking at the ratings and comparing them to what's happening in the show, and looking at who's getting the most air time and who's supposed to be the main draw. My only "agenda" here is to view and speak my observation about the numbers in a logical way, whereas your agenda is to rationalize them and make excuses for Punk.

It's a logical way of looking at it. Not a biased agenda way (an example of that would be blaming anything but Punk like you've done). If the show is tanking while a specific guy is having the show centered around him, whereas it never tanked this hard before that (including with the 3 hour Raw) in 15 years, it's logical to assume that it's at least in part, his fault. You can't say "the entire show sucks and that's why", when the show's been a better draw for 5 straight years.

Ratings (and buyrates) also tanked before when Punk was the main star instead of Cena. That's why WWE kept putting Cena back in the main event. So this is not the first time it's happened either. And it happened before the 3 hour Raw change. Here's a history of Raw ratings: http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2011-ratings/

Notice how when Punk takes over as champ, the ratings start slipping down, then consistently drop below 3. Raw's ratings have been trending down ever since Punk got the WWE title back. The only times they went up was when The Rock and Brock Lesnar came back to main event with John Cena. As soon as Brock left, ratings crashed down again with Punk as the star and stayed down. A couple months later, the 3 hour Raws started airing. And the ratings for those Raws didn't start out bad either.


Also, wrong, my point would not "only be valid if Punk's segments were losing numbers". That's ridiculous. My point would be valid if Punk's segments didn't gain big numbers or didn't have a high rating. And most of them don't unless he's in the typical "viewers go up at this point" segments, such as the overrun which I've never seen lose viewers. And btw, ratings are bad even during Punk's segments. The high point was 2.9. 2.9 would be considered a failure for an overall Raw episode as recent as last year, much less at the "high point of the show"!. I gave you the ratings list, so you should know that isn't an agenda comment, it's just the truth. If you could find a compiled 2012 list, I'd bet anything it'd show bad overall ratings any time Punk is spotlighted and Cena isn't. Just like PPV buys were worst when Punk main evented and best when Cena did.

If the ratings were great, Punk would be getting the credit for it since he's the main star. You'd probably be one of the ones saying it. I would also admit that Punk was a good draw despite the fact that I wasn't a fan (exactly the same way I admit Cena is a good draw despite the fact that I am not a fan). But they're not great, they're bad. Therefore he deserves the most blame since he's aired more than anyone else. . . and when he does air, the ratings aren't even good during his segments. They're pretty normal if not below the usual average anyway. A 2.8-2.9 rating is not good. It's low.
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^Already explained why he doesn't draw, dunno why you are trying to make him look like an anti-draw though when he isn't. Draw ability is achieved by having the right look, personality and charisma aswell as booking/storylines, that's all there is to it, there's no complexity in that. Do you think CM Punk is a bad wrestler/mic worker?
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