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Old 10-24-2012, 07:38 AM   #7301 (permalink)
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Default Re: RAW in 2006 should have been the next "Wrestling Boom" wtf happened?

I agree, 2006 had the rise of RVD, Edge and the return of ECW. It all looked rosey. As for 2007, the Great Khali, Chris Benoit, Donald Trump its hard to specify what went wrong.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:40 AM   #7302 (permalink)
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But I'm sure AD REVENUE has never been higher! And I guess that's what's important - not ratings - when you're a 66-year-old businessman who's done everything that can ever be done in the world of pro wrestling.
They won't continue to get high ad revenue forever with ratings falling the way they are though. The two go hand in hand.

What makes me laugh now is what Vince said when he was introducing the Attitude Era.

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We, in the WWF, think that you, the audience, are quite frankly, tired of having your "intelligence insulted". We also think that you're tired of the same old simplistic theory of "Good Guys VS Bad Guys". Surely the era of "The super-hero urge you to say your prayers and take your vitamins" is definitely, passe.
Basically, most viewers back then felt the exact same way about the show as they do now, WWE recognised this and addressed it and made changes. Now over the last few years, they've got straight back to this bullshit and viewers are tuning out in their droves again. It really isn't difficult to see the connection.

I don't want the Attitude Era back 'as was'....I don't want to see crap like Mae Young giving birth to a hand again, women taking chair headshots from men, anything like that. I do want a show though where there's a point to every guy on the roster being there, where you don't have 'Super Cena' hugging babies snd kissing fat girls, 'Super Sheamus' winning every match with the same move, or even the boring 'Super Punk' that we got for the first half of this year . A show where you have lower card guys featured in backstage segments and a half decent storyline to build them up so that when they come to fight in the ring, the crowd actually gives a shit rather then crap like Hornswoggle being named as the anonymous Raw GM, or that crap on Monday with AJ resigning and being replaced by Vickie. That's truly intelligence insulting to the viewing audience.

Am I, and all the other people who complain each week really asking too much?
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:44 AM   #7303 (permalink)
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The rise of Cena and Batista heavily contributed to the success of 2006, but 2007 was a tough year. Constant injuries, shitty storylines, and the Benoit tragedy. I don't know if it's possible to pinpoint exactly why the WWE started to slide. It's more likely to be an amalgamation of reasons. By that point, people were starting to get tired of Cena and Batisita, Triple H was injured in January, Taker was injured in April, HBK was injured in May, Cena was injured in September, add to that list Kennedy and a few others that slip my mind. Raw was at it's worst and Smackdown had more than a few hiccups.

Basically, the product went to hell in 2007.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:44 AM   #7304 (permalink)
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1) Not promoting PPV's, even in the run-in show
2) Going to three hours
3) Bringing in celebs for quick-fixes
4) Bringing in has-beens for quick fixes
5) Killing momentum of guys who are clearly over - Daniel Bryan was the most over behind Rock at WM. Fail.
There's just a lack of passion behind almost everything that we see on the show, it's gone on for far too long and it needs to change, CM Punk is practically the only one delivering passion in his promo's...
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:48 AM   #7305 (permalink)
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:50 AM   #7307 (permalink)
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Some remarkable similarities with the end of WCW;

1) Not promoting PPV's, even in the run-in show
2) Going to three hours
3) Bringing in celebs for quick-fixes
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5) Killing momentum of guys who are clearly over - Daniel Bryan was the most over behind Rock at WM. Fail.
I see the similarities but the WWE now doesn't have the competition WCW had. TNA isn't big enough of a threat to put the WWE in danger, which basically means that mainstream wrestling/sports entertainment has to die completely to put WWE out of business.

As for point 5, while I agree that the "18 seconds" decision was terrible and a slap in the face for everyone that wanted to see DB at the "biggest stage of them all", Bryan's reaction grew enormously immediately after the match and probably was at an all time high the Raw after WM. So I think, per accident, they didn't kill his momentum and Bryan probably would be less prominent on Raw if this never happened.
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I agree, 2006 had the rise of RVD, Edge and the return of ECW. It all looked rosey. As for 2007, the Great Khali, Chris Benoit, Donald Trump its hard to specify what went wrong.
2006: Young and really charismatic newcomers like Carlito, Mr.Kennedy, CM Punk and MVP. Legit uppercarder/main eventer talent like Edge, Jeff Hardy, John Cena, Rey Mysterio and Orton were still very young, and a great crop of stars headed by the enshrined veterans Shawn Michaels, Undertaker and Triple H. Also Batista, Booker, RVD, Kurt Angle, Kane, Finlay, Regal, Matt Hardy...

You cannot compare. Now there are people that think McGillicutty and Kofi are amazing. That says a lot about how standards have dropped.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:58 AM   #7309 (permalink)
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I see the similarities but the WWE now doesn't have the competition WCW had. TNA isn't big enough of a threat to put the WWE in danger, which basically means that mainstream wrestling/sports entertainment has to die completely to put WWE out of business.

As for point 5, while I agree that the "18 seconds" decision was terrible and a slap in the face for everyone that wanted to see DB at the "biggest stage of them all", Bryan's reaction grew enormously immediately after the match and probably was at an all time high the Raw after WM. So I think, per accident, they didn't kill his momentum and Bryan probably would be less prominent on Raw if this never happened.
I'm talking about the weeks following WrestleMania. When Rock was on RAW afterwards, the YES chants were deafening, not since SCSA has a wrestler solicited such a response with a one-word catchphrase. What did WWE do? Bury Bryan, effectively. They realistically should've had Bryan vs a heel Cena by the Royal Rumble. This would've worked. But they buried him, pushed CM Punk who hasn't got 30% of Bryans charisma and are still milking Super Cena. This reminds me on WCW burying Goldberg and pushing Jeff Jarrett and Kevin Nash.
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Some remarkable similarities with the end of WCW;

1) Not promoting PPV's, even in the run-in show
2) Going to three hours
3) Bringing in celebs for quick-fixes
4) Bringing in has-beens for quick fixes
5) Killing momentum of guys who are clearly over - Daniel Bryan was the most over behind Rock at WM. Fail.
That list is shockingly true. Especially the Daniel Bryan part. CM Punk at MITB 2011 or Rock whenever/wherever was the only pop/chants in the past 3 or so years, similar to the ones Bryan had for WEEKS after WrestleMania.


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I don't want to watch CM Punk. He doesn't look like a wrestler. His promos are annoying as fuck - and I don't mean good heat. Beyond that its not just a kids show now, its a show for dumb kids who need special attention in class.
"I don't want to watch CM Punk." Unfortunately, a lot of casuals have also adopted that mindset. I am not blaming Punk entirely for the ratings, but he is not helping like a champion should help. I put it down to two things really, personal charisma and presentation. Punk was never portrayed as being that charismatic good good guy when he was a face like Cena. He was more a Cena-lite. And the fact he never even main evented as a champion has cost them dearly. The audience don't care about Punk since he has been treated second best as champion.I never had the "look like a wrestler" opinion/argument, but I can understand where it comes from. As for his promos, I am feeling the same to be honest. The only good one he has had in weeks was with Vince McMahon. I waited for his promo work to evolve above just the respect stuff but nothing has happened. Hopefully they add more layers to his promos in the next few weeks. But I doubt it. Either Punk wins and we get respect stuff, or RyBack wins and we get "FEED ME MORE" and Respect stuff.
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