Originally Posted by #1Peep4ever
at least Punk has to beat the odds rather than be the odds like Cena
Punk: 9-0-1 in last 10 PPVs. 330+ days without losing a title match. 100% win ratio with one no contest since winning the title.
Cena: 6-6-2 over last 14 PPV appearances. 50% win rate, and two no contests.
How is Cena the odds and Punk not? He always wins at PPVs lately while Cena is losing half the time. You've got it backwards bro. This isn't 3+ years ago. Cena's been jobbing quite a bit, even on PPVs.
Punk is being booked the way Cena haters hated, and Cena's being booked the way Cena haters wanted, yet you guys are still blowing Punk and bashing Cena with hypocrisy in full effect. You guys clearly will never be happy about it unless they bury and fire Cena.
Originally Posted by MikeChase27
Whats even worse is the fact that SinJackal thinks Ryback is a draw.
Perhaps the dumbest post of the bunch.
Ryback isn't a draw? k. Let's review.
Punk gained 161,000 viewers in his segment with Vince early in the show.
The Ryback vs. Dolph Ziggler and David Otunga squash match gained 512,000 viewers. That's Ryback + two guys who don't draw. Ryback drew more than three times as many viewers than Punk could with Vince McMahon himself on screen too.
The contract signing at the end with Vince, Ryback, Cena, and Punk gained 766,000 viewers.
Ryback again associated with the biggest ratings gain of the show. You can't credit Punk or even Vince because their gain was poor earlier in the show. Cena, of course, is partly responsible for the big jump as he usually is, but I'd also credit Ryback far more than I would Punk due to the ratings they each pulled earlier in the show.
Perhaps you should wait until the ratings are posted before you consider making such an ignorant statement next time?
Funniest thing of all is that I never said Ryback was a draw in the first place. All you did was make Punk marks look stupid and uninformed for no reason. You should apologize to them tbh.
Originally Posted by -Skullbone-
Would you rather see someone of Punk's...fairly limited stature take out security teams and huge heels like ol' Stone Cold? I think the guy himself would be aware of what looks realistic and what doesn't. Punk looks like and carries himself like a pugnacious scrapper.
At least there was one reply worth reading. Thanks for making the effort in asking me to clarify while posting decent arguments.
He just doesn't personally entertain me in the least. I'm entitled to my opinion on it just like you are.
Being fair and honest, I enjoyed Punk during "Summer of Punk", as I had a huge dislike for John Cena at the time (not anymore). But the more time passed, especially during his current reign, Punk has become less and less interesting to me, to the point him still going over despite all odds is just annoying to see now because it always happens.
This isn't "blind hate" or anything, it's legitimate just getting tired of seeing the guy over time since he's constantly getting put over in nearly every promo and every PPV. I don't give Punk a pass because I liked him at one point or just because "at least it's not Cena". I just call a spade a spade, dude. I wasn't a fan of Austin back in the day for the same reasons too. Got tired of seeing him always go over. Predictable dominance (including promos) is never entertaining to me when it's scripted.
If this was real fighting, there might be some value to it. Since it's scripted, there's always that element of, "why do they always script him to win?" in the background. It's a hard pill to swallow.
So we'll have Punk's boring speeches taken away and replaced with...Cena's boring speeches. Doesn't sound particularly good either way, particularly when Cena is booked to be beyond the title and has achieved so much that a promo as champ will have little significance.
Both will still make their boring speeches regardless of who has the title. However, since Punk has gotten the title, his mic time has gone way up since he's been champ whereas Cena's has been roughly the same he always did (i.e. about a third as much as Punk, up to 1/2 during serious fueds).
In a nutshell, I expect both guys to be getting air time and mic time regardless of who's champ. But if Punk isn't champ (and hopefully not still going for it immediately after losing it), I expect less Punk mic time which is addition by subtraction imo. Less Punk mic time means more mic time for everyone else.
Perhaps what I said didn't make sense to you because you expect Cena will be getting the same ungodly amount of promo time that Punk does now. Cena wasn't getting that much promo time before. . .I see no reason why they'd change that in the future. Cena's push will be roughly the same as it's always been, whereas I'm just looking for less of a Punk push so WWE spends that valuble promo time in other areas rather than giving 50% of it to Punk every week. It makes for a boring Raw if you don't like CM Punk.
Cena really is the lesser of two evils. If you hate Cena, at least you don't have to see him that much. If you hate Punk, too bad because he's going to be on there at least 50% longer than Cena. Punk simply doesn't get to the point fast enough (like HHH), whereas Cena does. The only time Cena cuts a long promo is right before a PPV. . .Punk does it damn near every week. You just don't notice because you like Punk. Watch for it from now on (or cue up some old Raw episodes from the last 2-3 months) and you'll see what I mean.
But then they'll put it back into Cena's basket in all likelihood. Who in your mind can take the reigns of newly established face of WWE from today's roster off of Punk? One name.
I already said the one name with Cena. Cena can win it back, reign for 2-3 months, then drop it to Randy Orton or whoever, and start moving the title around again at a reasonable rate (3-5x a year) so the WWE title scene isn't a snoozefest anymore.
Cena's already established as a bigger draw than Punk despite Punk's very lengthy and hard push. It's already proven that Punk can't carry the company and that it will tank if Cena isn't being pushed as basically the co-main event alongside him.
As for future guys who could be the face of the company (btw I'm not sure why that'd be Punk anyway since he's almost as old as Cena, in worse shape, and talking about retiring in a few years), here's a few guys who imo have potential to be the WWE title main event 2-3 years from now:
Sheamus, Orton, Ziggler, Miz, Daniel Bryan, Ryback, and possibly Sandow, Kofi, and Cesaro too.
No one dude has to hold it. I'd rather that not be the case. I can't predict who the next big megastar might be, but it's obviously not Punk. If it were, it would've happened by now. Thus far he's just an established WWE personality who doesn't interest casual viewers, which let's be honest, is what we're talking about when we're talking about the face of the company. Not a guy who knows a few more hammerlocks than most, and talks about insider stuff occaisionally that goes over most viewers' heads.
I don't believe there's a dire need to replace Cena right this second. Especially not to forcefully do it with a guy who isn't working very well in that role. I'd rather not see a show I enjoy watching die due to demanding a new guy take over the main role who isn't doing as good of a job as the last guy just because I wanted a change for the sake of change. Like I said, Cena is a neccessary evil. And that evil's not any worse than the current evil. It even draws better.