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Old 10-16-2012, 07:38 PM   #6991 (permalink)
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Seeing as Punk is the main focus and has had more air time then anybody how can you not blame him? I seriously do not understand Punk marks. Right now he is the main attraction. He is the one cutting the promos and finishing the shows. Cena has done nothing and not been on for long recently. People knew long in advance that tje show would end with Punk ahain. But people didnt tune in.
Beyond this forum nobody cares. Punk is possibly the most over hyped wrestler in wwe history. His promos are basically about nothing at all. They are becoming unbearable to watch. We get it you want respect....

If the numbers were good Punk marks would credit him with it thats for sure.
As a critic pointed out Punk has Heyman with him, has had a high feud going with Vince, has had guys like Folly doing promos on his ability and is involved with the three main stars in Cena,Rock and Stone Cold. Even after all that he still cant draw in the numbers. The near 2 years of Punk being shoved down our throats needs to end and soon.
but do expect him to draw 2mio viewers every segment he is in?
his segments (at least the past weeks) its all the other segments that lose viewers so how can you blame him for that
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:48 PM   #6992 (permalink)
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but do expect him to draw 2mio viewers every segment he is in?
his segments (at least the past weeks) its all the other segments that lose viewers so how can you blame him for that
Simple because he is to blame...

Everybody knows the end of the show is the most important part of the programme. It is what the show builds towards. It will have an event/cliffhanger that leads into the following show. It will be the main angle in WWE.
People leave during the show as lets be honest sometimes its so bad your go watch something else.
But if the final viewing number is lower then the start or second hour number it means less people wanted to tune in to see the end. The end should be the highest viewed part of the show. If the segment before it lost 1m viewers and the final segment gained 900k viewers tjats still 100k down on the highest point. Thats what is important. People are not tuning in to watch the end in the same volume they once did. Seeing as Punk ends the show I fail to see how people cannot attribute his popularity to that. If Rock ended the show it would be the highest peak in terms of viewership in the show.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:57 PM   #6993 (permalink)
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Simple because he is to blame...

Everybody knows the end of the show is the most important part of the programme. It is what the show builds towards. It will have an event/cliffhanger that leads into the following show. It will be the main angle in WWE.
People leave during the show as lets be honest sometimes its so bad your go watch something else.
But if the final viewing number is lower then the start or second hour number it means less people wanted to tune in to see the end. The end should be the highest viewed part of the show. If the segment before it lost 1m viewers and the final segment gained 900k viewers tjats still 100k down on the highest point. Thats what is important. People are not tuning in to watch the end in the same volume they once did. Seeing as Punk ends the show I fail to see how people cannot attribute his popularity to that. If Rock ended the show it would be the highest peak in terms of viewership in the show.
if the storyline is bad its still isnt punks fault though and i still fail to see how it is punks fault when there are vince and cena in that segment

so its either the people dont wanna see neither vince nor cena nor punk or they are just not interested which i can fully understand since that stupid storyline is just a clusterfuck...

then there is the thing with the 3 hour show... its just way too long... even i couldnt keep myself till the contract signing... and just watched it the day after

punk isnt the biggest draw and well thats quite obvious but i still fail to see how he is the only one to blame when the show just keeps on losing viewers and viewers and even vince and cena could not help to get the lost viewers back
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:04 PM   #6994 (permalink)
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Maybe the ratings were bad because noone wants to see Punk face Ryback or Cena. Maybe they wanna see Punk face someone good and different. Punk going against 2 supermen isnt interesting.

I always find it funny ppl blame one guy which is usually Punk yet Vinny Mac was advertised for the show, Cena was gonna be on the show and the new guy ppl are saying is a draw in Ryback. They are going against MNF they will never win especially when the demographic that watches wwe also watches the NFL and im pretty sure they would rather watch a live football game and watch Raw on YouTube.

Funny im sure if ratings were great it'll be due to the "only draw" in wrestling Cena or maybe Vinny Mac, hell im sure ppl would say Ryback is drawing the ratingz.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:13 PM   #6995 (permalink)
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Wow another shitty week. It's the 3 hours that's killing it. This week would've been a good show if it didn't drag on. Dammit Vince, drop an hour from Raw.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:14 PM   #6996 (permalink)
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If the numbers were good Punk marks would credit him with it thats for sure.
As a critic pointed out Punk has Heyman with him, has had a high feud going with Vince, has had guys like Folly doing promos on his ability and is involved with the three main stars in Cena,Rock and Stone Cold. Even after all that he still cant draw in the numbers. The near 2 years of Punk being shoved down our throats needs to end and soon.
Exactly. If the numbers were high, punk marks would credit that to punk. But it failed to increase and look at all the excuses here.. 3 hrs is too long, poor storylines, Cena, Vince etc.. He has to be top champion but wont take the responsibility for low ratings? even when he is the focus of the show? the main event angle? If good booking is what really makes the difference then why does this guy even need to be the champion? Build a new star instead, perhaps with someone who can actually be a draw with minimal amount push. Fuck punk, enough of this "I've been held back" garbage.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:15 PM   #6997 (permalink)
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Are people really still doing this ridiculous thing of blaming individual wrestlers for poor ratings? Was it Rock and Austins fault that ratings dropped in 2002-03 when they were still the main guys like they were the years before when the ratings were huge? No, of course not.

If Punk and Ryback where in the attitude era it would still be getting monster ratings....because it was the attitude era when the product and roster was far better than it is now.

Its the product, storylines and roster that is the reason less people are watching nowadays, not Punk or Ryback.
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Simple because he is to blame...

Everybody knows the end of the show is the most important part of the programme. It is what the show builds towards. It will have an event/cliffhanger that leads into the following show. It will be the main angle in WWE.
People leave during the show as lets be honest sometimes its so bad your go watch something else.
But if the final viewing number is lower then the start or second hour number it means less people wanted to tune in to see the end. The end should be the highest viewed part of the show. If the segment before it lost 1m viewers and the final segment gained 900k viewers tjats still 100k down on the highest point. Thats what is important. People are not tuning in to watch the end in the same volume they once did. Seeing as Punk ends the show I fail to see how people cannot attribute his popularity to that. If Rock ended the show it would be the highest peak in terms of viewership in the show.
So you say he's to blame at the end yet he wasn't the only one in the ring to end the show. Nice logic. Blind haters.
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Meh, we all knew before they went to 3 hours that adding the extra hour was gonna cause problems, especially given that most people could only just about manage sitting through the 2 hours of crap they were putting out before. It's not mattering a great which wrestlers they put on the programme at the moment.

Trying to put the entire blame on Punk or anyone else is pointless. WWE Raw itself as a whole is a fundamentally damaged product at this stage. It needs better writing, structure and focus in order to pick itself up again.
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Maybe the ratings were bad because noone wants to see Punk face Ryback or Cena. Maybe they wanna see Punk face someone good and different. Punk going against 2 supermen isnt interesting.
Yeah, right. Like when Punk vs Bryan actually lost viewers when they were heading into their first real feud?

Face it, Punk cannot be blamed for losing viewers from the existing audience during Raw but he can be blamed for failing to bring in a bigger audience from the get-go when he's promoted as the focal point of the show and gets several segments every week.
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