[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by austin316 G.O.A.T

Vince McMahon is a bigger draw than Cena,Punk and anyone today

This is especially true now that he only appears once every few months nowadays.

But I do wonder how well the Punk/Vince segments did since Vince was advertised to some extent in both of them. We knew 10 minutes ahead of time Vince would be appearing, as well as it being advertised for several days prior to that, and the match was heavily advertised and the replay of Punk slapping Vince was shown several times throughout the night. Plus Cena kicking off the show which was announced ahead of time... and yet they still only mustered a little over 4 million viewers, and actually the 3rd hour is still down from hour 1 despite that big advertised main event (though that's why I'm very interested in the breakdown, to see how well Punk/Vince did). I suppose though hour 1 had the Cena promo, Ryback match, and Punk/Vince so it would naturally have the highest average number. Don't remember too well what was in hour 3 besides Punk/Vince anyway.

[Brogue Kick]

Originally Posted by The Sandrone

This is especially true now that he only appears once every few months nowadays.

But I do wonder how well the Punk/Vince segments did since Vince was advertised to some extent in both of them. We knew 10 minutes ahead of time Vince would be appearing, as well as it being advertised for several days prior to that, and the match was heavily advertised and the replay of Punk slapping Vince was shown several times throughout the night. Plus Cena kicking off the show which was announced ahead of time... and yet they still only mustered a little over 4 million viewers, and actually the 3rd hour is still down from hour 1 despite that big advertised main event (though that's why I'm very interested in the breakdown, to see how well Punk/Vince did). I suppose though hour 1 had the Cena promo, Ryback match, and Punk/Vince so it would naturally have the highest average number. Don't remember too well what was in hour 3 besides Punk/Vince anyway.

Larry King/Kofi/Miz, Rhode Scholars vs Ryder/Cobra, Eve vs Kaitlyn were the first 3 quarters of hour 3. Last quarter was Bryan/Kane/Kings backstage & Punk/McMahon

[Irish Jet]

Originally Posted by KO Bossy

I'm starting to think this company is screwed. Vince was advertised a fair amount for being on this Raw, Cena came back and was involved in both the beginning and ending segments...and the best they could do is a 2.8?

This is why I don't get why so many clueless yokels try arguing that Punk is the sole reason for the bad ratings. Look at this, even getting desperate and putting Vince in there and getting Cena involved and we get a relatively minor ratings increase that STILL can't break a 3.0. That's also why I don't understand the ridiculous "last week was the lowest drawing Raw in 15 years, its all Punk's fault" shit either. Its not exactly like they had very far to fall for that to happen. Now they pull out all the stops and still only manage to pull off a 2.8, which is still really unimpressive. What's the excuse gonna be this week? Global warming? The 1992 L.A. riots? Malaria? Communism?

Face it, wrestling just isn't a hot product these days, and the only remedy is building it up again to the point of greatness, not this once in a while going all out for one night of ratings that don't suck as badly and the rest of the time its the same old shit (ie. the formula they currently use). This problem didn't just happen overnight, and its not going to be fixed that quickly either. In both cases, we're talking years here.

This thread is no place for sense and logic. GTFO!

[Snoth]

Context. Always second or third for monday nights on cable. On the second most expensive ad day in television. Not only does USA make big ad bucks from RAW's time slot but I guarantee USA uses RAW as major leverage during reups of subscription fees with cable distributors. Something they could never replace with original content or a syndicated show. Ratings aren't the problem, not even close.

[TripleG]

It is funny to me that Monday Night Football has become a bit of an accepted ratings killer for the WWE every year and that assessment is certainly valid.

However, it is worrisome to me that the hit from MNF seems to get worse every year. I never thought the WWE would find themselves having Raw go down under a 3.0 multiple weeks in a row.

[Big Dog]

Tbh WWE isn't just US, it's also worldwide and I wouldn't put to much thought on the ratings purely from America, when elsewhere it's viewed a lot. When they say they are trending on twitter..it's because worldwide they really are because worldwide in different time zones it's not competing against anything. Yes ratings in US do count for that market but it's not the only part of the company.

[KO Bossy]

Originally Posted by TripleG

It is funny to me that Monday Night Football has become a bit of an accepted ratings killer for the WWE every year and that assessment is certainly valid.

However, it is worrisome to me that the hit from MNF seems to get worse every year. I never thought the WWE would find themselves having Raw go down under a 3.0 multiple weeks in a row.

Not to mention under 3.0 ratings WITH Vince AND Cena.

[Cliffy Byro]

Originally Posted by RatedR10

Nice viewership rise. I guess Vince McMahon stays on TV for a few more weeks. If all the stuff with creative is true and a change in programming coming, I think once Linda loses (hopefully), WWE will shift into a more edgier type of programming (not Attitude Era type...let's say Ruthless Aggression era-esque), and there'll be a big shift in how feuds are booked from the main event to the lower tier of the card, which should surely help ratings.

Last night did feel different though. After the filler first half hour, from the Punk/McMahon segment to the end, the show had a different feel, IMO.

In alot of ways the RA was alot edgier than the AE. Just saying, bugs me how people say the AE was smuttier.

There wasn't any HLA, One legged wrestlers being pushed down stairs, Corpse shagging etc. in the AE.

[Gamblor]

Sooooooooooo.... how about that breakdown?

[chbulls1_23]

Raw just needs to go back to 2 hours. It was so much more enjoyable with out all the crappy filler. That's really what's killing it and nothing else TBH. If Vince can't see that he's a F'n moron.