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Old 10-05-2012, 01:51 AM   #6751 (permalink)
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The numbers that Ryback's pulled in over last few weeks isn't exactly reflective of the desire casuals appear to have that Vince certainly does in putting him on that podium is it?
Not really. He's reliable, with such short amount of push(it has been what 6 months right? and most of them were local jobbers), he's proved that he can draw even at random quarters. Like I said before, we dont really know if he can draw or not until they actually put the title on him.


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What's your desire in seeing this guy as being a figurehead? What will he bring besides the stereotypical image?
He will bring what Batista or Goldberg brought to the table. A powerhouse brute who's unstoppable. People love that kinda stuff as proven in the past, he can be a big draw if pushed right. That "stereotypical image" is something that exists only among the internet fans and wrestling hardcores to a degree, casuals dont care so its irrelevant.


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For 9 months Punk was treated as second best if even. Since Raw 1000 he's been the central point of the show. Now granted, he hasn't been doing any good but you can't treat any champion in that position like dirt for 9 months out of 10 and then suddenly expect masses of people to buy into him as a legit show carrying superstar because all the actual show carrying superstars left. Taking the title off Punk solves nothing. This weeks Raw we got some insight into what WWE looks like without any star power. Punk is the 'top star' right now on a roster where there are no stars. There is a lot of merit in what you're saying and I spent a few posts saying the same thing myself but it isn't as black and white as that either. Punk is essentially feuding with nobody right now. He's in limbo while WWE sit on their hands waiting to see if John Cena can compete at the PPV. They haven't treated him the way a champion of 300+ days should have been treated for the duration of his reign so is it any bit of wonder he's bombing in the ratings?
I disagree. Just because he played second fiddle to John Cena, the absolute top guy of the company, doesnt mean he was "treated like dirt". By that logic, Batista was treated like dirt most of his career. Much like Sheamus right now, Batista post 2006 hardly ever main evented over Cena and the WWE title. Hell, he couldnt even main event with Cena, wrestlemania 26 Cena/Batista was the top draw but they promoted Taker/Shawn as the top match instead and it bombed. How many PPVs did Jeff Hardy main event? the few he did main event were against Punk. You can push the mid card act as a main event attraction every ppv if you want, but its just not going to work because the fundamental problem lies with Punk.
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:21 AM   #6752 (permalink)
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Not really. He's reliable, with such short amount of push(it has been what 6 months right? and most of them were local jobbers), he's proved that he can draw even at random quarters. Like I said before, we dont really know if he can draw or not until they actually put the title on him.
Jesus, he drew. 'Drew' is not the same as 'draw.' The last couple of weeks has seen Ryback lose viewers where he's been utilised as a standalone figure. Since I know such numbers aren't much more than an indication of the performer reception for company insiders, I'm confident in saying that that's nothing to be too concerned about if you're hoping for a Ryback push. However, in a thread where posters appear to have this mindset that viewership numbers must go through the roof in every possible segment I figured I'd follow suit and voice concerns over his current 'appeal.'

Slapping the title on Ryback to 'see if he's a draw' is the sort of management that's a key problem with current WWE. There's a lack of continuity in the company, as well as a discernibly even level of performers that can be accepted by audiences without being forced over others and fear any sort of backlash. The reason he's generally 'quite liked' around here is because the guy has had his weaknesses masked, strengths accentuated and has a character that's somewhat of a change of pace in this era.

As champion he's going to have to start carrying segments and working promos of high importance, become a prominent media figure to represent the company, and work matches of main event caliber. I cannot see this guy do anything of the sort because he hasn't exhibited any outstanding or particularly strong qualities that make him stand out as someone that will specifically sought after by a large enough number of outsider fans to be considered a draw.

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He will bring what Batista or Goldberg brought to the table. A powerhouse brute who's unstoppable. People love that kinda stuff as proven in the past, he can be a big draw if pushed right. That "stereotypical image" is something that exists only among the internet fans and wrestling hardcores to a degree, casuals dont care so its irrelevant.
Do you like that stuff? You're an internet fan as well so we can discuss it in proper context. In regards to your comparisons with Batista and Goldberg. I'm sorry but looking at those three three shoulder to shoulder will not work out in his favour. Goldberg came at a time where his appeal could be exploited for all that was possible, and Batista was the beneficiary of fantastic, inspired booking that's distinctly lacking from today's product.

On a surface level, the guy is currently a second-rate continuation to both these wrestlers and comes up short in most of their identifiable assets and renowned traits. Casuals see it as well and are already comparing Ryback to those sort of characters with tepid receptions. Continuations that are only a couple of years spanned apart from each are not destined for great feats unless they possess a hook or uniquely specialized trait the original lacked.

If you truly concerned about casual appeal and not just doing it to justify your hatred of certain wrestlers, then I'm afraid you may be disappointed to find that there's little appeal in wrestling to a larger audiences to draw in large quantities of viewers and consumers. It'll take something of extraordinary appeal to get people of modern culture to care about professional wrestling. Current Ryback is very, very unlikely to be anything extraordinary and has proven very little aside from possessing a badass look.

I hope he can improve in all areas as I do every performer. However, unless he becomes an extraordinarily popular brand in himself stemming from some sort of fantastic market pitch (as that's all he is based off after all: appearances), despite the company not doing much right in that area outside of one or two instances he'll be seen by a large enough portion of the audience as many do here to undermine him: a second-rate, one-dimensional and plain ol' boring continuation of roided up freaks who live under the stigma of being dimwitted. He may well become a viewership success in time, but it isn't going to change the current lack of interest outside of the established fan group. No individual can at this moment in time.

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so no cena and then the worst ratings in 15 years?
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Rock316 is easily the best heel in the business, wheres that gif off Punk reeling in the bate?
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The problem may be Punk, but it isn't because of the work he does. It's the shitty way WWE has gone about pushing him and promoting him. He's the WWE champion and has put on great matches throughout his run, what else can he do? I think everybody on the roster is going out there and doing the best they damn well can. Punk goes out every week and performs extremely well, whether you like the guy or you don't, you have to admit that. They all do their best with what they're given. The problem is Cena. As bboy has pointed out above. No Cena and the ratings drop. This isn't the fault of Cena or anyone else on the roster. It's quite clearly the WWE's fault.

Nobody else is on his level. Punk is the closest. There are so many people out there (kids and adults included) who only tune in to watch Cena and don't give a shit about the rest of the show. It's pretty clear when you have stories of WWE giving partial refunds to people who went to live shows expecting Cena to be there. It's a sad fucking state that they have nobody that can replace him. They have nobody built up for it. Where's Randy Orton? Filming a fucking movie. Sheamus is being built to be in that spot but he's not there yet. It's just too little too late. This is a desperate time, they have spent the last however many years dicking around and building only one guy and ignoring everyone else.

They didn't lose ALL THAT many viewers. It's the lowest rating in a long time but it isn't THAT many people, they still have heaps of people watching and there are other factors here. The football, the fact that ratings often dip around this time of year, and the fact it is a 3 hour show. A lack of Cena would definitely have contributed to it though.

They've been riding on the success of Cena for way too long and haven't been using him to put anyone else up on the same level. They came close with CM Punk this year. But they went and screwed that up by putting him below Cena all the time. This was bound to happen eventually, Cena would get injured and they wouldn't know what to do. What happens if Cena can't make HIAC? Punk v. Ryback? I would rather not see that. But if not him then who else?
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Oh well RAW, Smackdown and Impact may all suck recently but there is one bright light in wrestling N X FUCKING T.


Also I think it's important to note a lot of young kids who have been following WWE for the past 8 years those little Cena fans we all hate and all once were are growing up now WWE needs to shake things up a bit for its core audience.

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Punk's sloppy-whinny ass successfully spearheaded RAW to its worst ratings in over 15 years.Punk is so great that he need not actually go for the GTS to make people go to sleep.Best in the world at what he does.

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The writers are lazy every main event build up is the same nothing intresting
and Vince cares more about politics than WWE.
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