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Old 10-03-2012, 07:01 PM   #6641 (permalink)
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Trust me, if there's one person that doesn't care what others think, it's me. But even I have my limits. What would be embarrassing about it where I live is the fact that everyone has moved on from wrestling since 07/08 and has started becoming a fan of UFC while I'm still stuck in something that has peaked in the past and the only way to go is seemingly down from now on.

And at the very least, the stupid things that took place in the past had that badassness or edginess to them that makes them acceptable to an extent. What I used as examples are shit that 5 years old would probably enjoy and that's pretty much what WWE has turned into. The point I'm trying to make is that they have gone way too childish and it's just sad to one minute watch Austin enter the arena with the middle fingers in the air then shower Vince and The Rock with beer then the next minute watch a modern day segment where Brodus Clay is dancing with kids.
We're in quite different positions since where I live not many people of any age watches wrestling. Since the first big PPV I watched as it was new (not live but aired around the same time) a kid was Wrestlemania VI it's been a long time since I've knew many people that watch it. Of course I've had many multi-year breaks from wrestling since I was a kid, but I've kept coming back for periods of time. I'm quite into UFC myself, not least since I've been an active competitior in several martial arts, but I haven't really found that it has changed much about wrestling for me.

And I certainly agree that much is too kid oriented. Raw doesn't air here but even if I did I don't think I could watch it live. I need to be able to skip everything that doesn't suit me, so watching Raw doesn't take too long for me. It's basically only been the Punk stories that's consistently entertained me, but since they do I keep watching them. I do think there's been plenty of stuff to fast forward though in previous times as well though (and I wouldn't exactly say that the Austin+Rock equivalent of today's show is Brodus Clay ).
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:09 PM   #6642 (permalink)
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Another 52,000 U.S. homes dropped cable and satellite over the last month. The total erosion is from 101 million to 98.7 million over the past couple of years. What was notable to me is when WWE announced its Hulu Plus deal, I heard from people who said that they were now going to start back watching it because they had given up when giving up cable.

Raw on 10/1 did a 2.54 rating and 3.50 million viewers as noted on page one. Even with the record-low numbers, it was the third highest rated show on cable that night, trailing only football and Major Crimes on TNT.

The show did a 2.0 in teenage boys (same as last week), 2.0 in Males 18-49 (down 25%), 0.6 in Girls 12-17 (same as the past two weeks) and 0.8 in Women 18-49 (same as last week). The show had 68.9% male viewers. Like with Impact, viewers per home were at all-time low levels.

In the segment-by-segment, the long interview segment with C.M. Punk, Paul Heyman, Vickie Guerrero, Dolph Ziggler, A.J. Lee, Kane and Daniel Bryan opened at a 2.74 and gained 4,000 viewers.

Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara vs. Primo & Epico and Brodus Clay vs. Antonio Cesaro lost 461,000 viewers.

The Miz vs. Zack Ryder lost 47,000 viewers and did a 2.37 quarter.

The Sheamus/Big Show debate which had the usual 9 p.m. growth gained 421,000 viewers.

Ryback vs. Tensai and Eve Torres vs. Beth Phoenix lost 350,000 viewers.

Santino Marella vs. Heath Slater gained 222,000 viewers. That one surprised me.

Sheamus vs. Damien Sandow in the long match lost 63,000 viewers and that was the 10 p.m. segment. I think we can declare the 10 p.m. segment traditional growth as being on life support.

The show was laid out for the 10 p.m. segment to be the Jim Ross Appreciation Night with Punk, Heyman and Ryback at the end. Instead, they didn’t really get going until the 10:15 p.m. death spot, but instead of a huge loss, it gained 461,000 viewers to a show-topping 2.89 quarter.

Alberto Del Rio vs. Kofi Kingston lost 824,000 viewers and did a 2.29 quarter, the lowest quarter for a regular episode of Raw in 15 years. Basically, 21% of all the viewers who watched the Ross segment, tuned out, whether it was football or elsewhere, when that segment ended. 38% of teenage boys tuned out, 25% of Males 18-49, 28% of teenage girls and 20% of Women 18-49 tuned out at that point.

The Daniel Bryan & Kane vs. Dolph Ziggler & C.M. Punk main event gained 532,000 viewers to a 2.70 overrun.
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So... where's that breakdown?

Edit: Lol, posted at the same time I posted this.

Well... if we can take anything from this breakdown, it's that at the very least, most who watched at the start came back at the end.
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Wow @ that breakdown. The gains were all horrible and the loses were mind-blowing. Specially Alberto/Kofi losing almost 1 million.

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We're in quite different positions since where I live not many people of any age watches wrestling. Since the first big PPV I watched as it was new (not live but aired around the same time) a kid was Wrestlemania VI it's been a long time since I've knew many people that watch it. Of course I've had many multi-year breaks from wrestling since I was a kid, but I've kept coming back for periods of time. I'm quite into UFC myself, not least since I've been an active competitior in several martial arts, but I haven't really found that it has changed much about wrestling for me.

And I certainly agree that much is too kid oriented. Raw doesn't air here but even if I did I don't think I could watch it live. I need to be able to skip everything that doesn't suit me, so watching Raw doesn't take too long for me. It's basically only been the Punk stories that's consistently entertained me, but since they do I keep watching them. I do think there's been plenty of stuff to fast forward though in previous times as well though (and I wouldn't exactly say that the Austin+Rock equivalent of today's show is Brodus Clay ).
Yeah, I guess. Over here in my part of town (Sweden), WWE was extremely popular with those I hung around in my early teens around 2004-2007 then once the Benoit tragedy took place, I never heard about it from anyone again. Funny thing is, I got into wrestling once the buzz had completely died down so when I wanted to talk about it with others, there was very little interest shown and considering what WWE has turned into nowadays, I can fully understand why it'd happen. I think I might also be finished once I've watched all the past years I'm interested in. (1997-2008)

And yeah, I don't think I'll ever make the mistake of watching an entire Raw episode live as all the commercials and pointless filler makes it annoying. I've only watched the Montreal show since Raw 1000 and a few random segments or matches here and there. I'm pleased about how fast I lost interest and it stopped being an addiction to me. Haven't read any results in two weeks either, so it might be a matter of time before I stop participating in 'current' topics altogether!

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Starbuck hit the nail on the head.

Naturally the Punk defenders will defend their king but logically look at it like this. After having pretty much three months of being the main focus and having the most air time is it a good sign that the ending is down a lot on the other hours? Change Punks name to wrestler x and think about it that way. If you invested nearly a year with wrestler x being the champ and at your anniversary show which will be the most viewed in years have him the main ficus by beating up two icons. Would you expect the lowest rating in 15 years? What does it mean?

It means that the main story/angle sucks so bad that people no longer tune in to see it. It means 99% of the guys on the roster nobody gives a shit about. And as much as Punk lovers will try and ignore that includes Punk. The two shows where Cena has not been in this year and Punk was the main guy ratings were terrible.

The overall product stinks and people have had enough. It isn't about the internet or other bullshit like that. Other shows do a lot higher ratings, the internet has not hurt them.
WWE is showing us nothing. There is little in the way of entertainment and 3hrs just drags the shit out even more.
Go back and look at the attitude era. Something interesting would happen every night. Not just at the end but all the way through. Even the jobbers had fun angles going on. Remember Kai Entai doing the indeed thing. Tajiri with Regal. The characters were developed and you gave a shit about them. You had a good tag division with actual tag teams not just putting two random guys together. There were factions and they were unpredictable.

Wwe right now is the master of its own downfall. It decided to go against the audience that made it popular and appeal to kids. It took away the tag division and hardly ever had factions or stables. When they do make someone interesting they ruin it ie Barratt. They make the show about one guy and forget everyone else. The writing is so shit it just doesn't work.

They have to go back to the old formula or they are dead for sure. When even kids no longer find it interesting then you got huge problems.
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The hook for the show was from last week and he was the focus of the show. And No, AJ was not the focus of this week's show, punk was/still is, he was part of all the key quarters, he is the main event storyline. That is a pathetic excuse, blaming a diva AJ.



Point blank, PUNK CANT DRAW AS CHAMPION.




LOWEST IN 15 F*CKING YEARS? Can you even read?



Yes he is. He cant draw as champion, as the focus of the show and he should take the blame. If mid card is responsible for ratings/viewership, drop or increase, then why is this guy the WWE champion?
Do you think ratings will be the same, If Lesnar, Trips, Taker, Cena, Punk (c) etc. were/are part of the show. One hand can't clap for a whole show, considering it's a 3 hours show. If its a 2 hours show, I may agree if he failed, but it's clearly not his fault. Poor show = Poor ratings, it's creatives fault. He was the only one gaining viewers last week, or you wanna dismiss that.

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The hook for the show was from last week and he was the focus of the show. And No, AJ was not the focus of this week's show, punk was/still is, he was part of all the key quarters, he is the main event storyline. That is a pathetic excuse, blaming a diva AJ.
Your memory must suck because 3 months ago AJ was positioned as being ABOVE the WWE title, champion and #1 contender...

In fact, the hook from last week was Ryback, since he was the last one we saw on the show...

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LOWEST IN 15 F*CKING YEARS? Can you even read?
Your denial is seriously amusing.

Lowest in 15 years. 2.7 rating. Down from the usual 3.0 we see weekly. What does that translate into, a loss of half a ratings point or something? Do you know how many viewers tuning out it takes to go from a 3.0 to 2.7? Hardly anything, its a minor drop in viewers. Couple hundred thousand.

Now the way you explain it, WWE has been consistently doing Attitude type ratings and Punk came in and lowered them to a 2.7. Were that the case, I'd be the first person to admit he killed them. However, that's a hypothetical situation. In reality, Punk being the main focus really hasn't lost that many viewers compared to what they had before. Thus, the lowest rating in 15 years argument really doesn't hold very much merit anymore.

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Yes he is. He cant draw as champion, as the focus of the show and he should take the blame. If mid card is responsible for ratings/viewership, drop or increase, then why is this guy the WWE champion?
So let me get this straight...

Steve Austin brings in a million viewers per segment he's in. Then, in between the segments, all the viewers he gained are lost by the Oddities, Al Snow, Hardcore Holly and Bart Gunn, all midcard guys. However, their colossal losses aren't their fault, its Steve Austin's fault for not bringing in more viewers to pad the ratings drain that these other guys are. Thus, since Steve Austin is WWF champion and the top guy in the company, he's the one to blame for the shortcomings of others.

Now, replace Steve Austin with CM Punk and the midcard guys of Attitude with midcard guys of today. This is the logic you're trying to push. If you seriously believe this, then I truly pity you because sorry to say, and I mean no offense when I say this, but your brain does not function properly.
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at show topping 2.89 quarter. They just worded it funny lol. Nothing surprising here except Santino/Slater. DAT ONE MAN BAND. Show basically died after the whole Punk/JR/Ryback thing. ADR/Kofi probably didn't even have 3 million people watching it lol. That's insane. What's even more insane is that 1 half of this match contained a former Royal Rumble winner and 2 time WWE champ. Absolutely fucking ridiculous stat. Horrific overrun again. Just a horrible breakdown across the board.
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Starbuck hit the nail on the head.

Naturally the Punk defenders will defend their king but logically look at it like this. After having pretty much three months of being the main focus and having the most air time is it a good sign that the ending is down a lot on the other hours? Change Punks name to wrestler x and think about it that way. If you invested nearly a year with wrestler x being the champ and at your anniversary show which will be the most viewed in years have him the main ficus by beating up two icons. Would you expect the lowest rating in 15 years? What does it mean?

It means that the main story/angle sucks so bad that people no longer tune in to see it. It means 99% of the guys on the roster nobody gives a shit about. And as much as Punk lovers will try and ignore that includes Punk. The two shows where Cena has not been in this year and Punk was the main guy ratings were terrible.

The overall product stinks and people have had enough. It isn't about the internet or other bullshit like that. Other shows do a lot higher ratings, the internet has not hurt them.
WWE is showing us nothing. There is little in the way of entertainment and 3hrs just drags the shit out even more.
Go back and look at the attitude era. Something interesting would happen every night. Not just at the end but all the way through. Even the jobbers had fun angles going on. Remember Kai Entai doing the indeed thing. Tajiri with Regal. The characters were developed and you gave a shit about them. You had a good tag division with actual tag teams not just putting two random guys together. There were factions and they were unpredictable.

Wwe right now is the master of its own downfall. It decided to go against the audience that made it popular and appeal to kids. It took away the tag division and hardly ever had factions or stables. When they do make someone interesting they ruin it ie Barratt. They make the show about one guy and forget everyone else. The writing is so shit it just doesn't work.

They have to go back to the old formula or they are dead for sure. When even kids no longer find it interesting then you got huge problems.
I agree. You have been one of the few people divert from the "this is 100% Punk's fault" path to conclude that its everything overall that sucks. That's what I was saying a few pages ago. The whole product is trash, and I absolutely agree, part of it is Punk's fault. Nowhere did I say it wasn't. I'm rebutting this asinine argument that its ALL his fault, because its not.
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So then Sheamus quarter was higher then Punks main event. Says it all.
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