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Old 10-03-2012, 06:24 PM   #6611 (permalink)
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Nope. You still dont get it.

Main event storyline in key segments is always going to gain viewers.



Yes he is.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:25 PM   #6612 (permalink)
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He's not interesting enough for the casuals. They dont want him to as the top guy, he is over-pushed, over-exposed, extremely forced, glorified mid-card act and the result is lowest viewership in 15 years.
This is ALL your opinion. Every single thing you said. They don't want him as top guy? No, you don't. Over pushed? You believe he is. Over exposed? Your opinion. Glorified mid card act? Your 2 cents.

You speak about Punk like we were getting ratings of 5.0 and 6.0 before and now we've taken this dive into the gutter. The ratings have been hovering around this point for a LONG time now. We're talking about a very slight dip compared to how the ratings looked like before and as it happened, it led to the lowest viewership in 15 years. Now you're acting like this is the worst thing ever. In reality, this is only a minor loss because the program itself has been doing extremely poorly in general, barely floating above this dreaded line you've created.
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I think the point Tnmore is trying to make is that the main event feud is the main feature and focus of the show and it therefore props everything else around it up. When your main program isn't doing the business then naturally, everything else is going to blow chunks. The vast majority of people don't tune in to see the midcard acts because they're just that, midcard acts. People tune in for the 'main event' of the show with all the other feuds seen as sort of, extras I suppose and that's especially true in today's WWE where the main event is the only thing that gets any progression week to week if even. The main event program gets the major timeslots on the show in order to give Raw as a whole a chance to make better gains and get a better overall rating. More people tend to be watching at the start, at 9pm, at 10pm and at the end so segments are strategically placed to maximize viewership. The stronger the main event program and the people in it, the stronger the rating. The weaker the main event program and the people in it, the weaker the rating. That's why a lot of times we see breakdowns and overall ratings only to find out that a certain segment propped up a particular hour and impacted upon the show rating overall. Of course, it takes 2 people to have a feud and right now Punk isn't feuding with anybody. However, when Cena was around, their segments were still sucking and dropping every week anyways. People have been tuning out of the midcard acts for years now but now more so than ever. The difference is, more people were watching the main event program, whatever it happened to be, so the overalls weren't that bad. Now, less people are tuning in to even watch the main feud in the company so how can the 'extras' or midcard acts be expected to do any better?

Regardless of whether it involves Punk or not, when the main feud/segment on the show peaks at 4.2 million viewers (which it did last week iirc) then you have a serious problem. I just don't get how anybody can then go and claim that that makes whoever a draw. It doesn't. Overall viewership is at its highest when there is more than 1 thing to tune in for. When there isn't and there is only 1 main feud, that takes the responsibility of propping up the rest of the show as the central and focal point of that show. If that feud is failing to produce the goods then the rest is almost doomed to fail. If people aren't even bothering to tune in to watch John Cena or CM Punk feud over the WWE title, why in the hell are they going to bother tuning in for Kofi Kingston or Tyson Kidd in a match that means absolutely nothing?
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TV : Punk cant draw a fly to shit.
PPV : Punk cant draw shit to a fly.

Inference: Punk cant draw shit or a fly

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But it's also a little more complex than that, Starbuck, because now the main event is charged with propping up a whole extra hour of the meaningless stuff. Punk's position comes with a good deal of responsibility, sure, but considering how Cena-hobbled his run at the top has been, the general lack of interest in wrestling (outside of Brock/Rock/last year's shoot), and the near-complete creative bankruptcy of a WWE that's never had more TV exposure, it's also a position that'd be fairly untenable for all but the most bulletproof of draws.
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But it's also a little more complex than that, Starbuck, because now the main event is charged with propping up a whole extra hour of the meaningless stuff. Punk's position comes with a good deal of responsibility, sure, but considering how Cena-hobbled his run at the top has been, the general lack of interest in wrestling (outside of Brock/Rock/last year's shoot), and the near-complete creative bankruptcy in WWE, it's also a position that'd be fairly untenable for all but the most bulletproof of draws.
No doubt the 3 hours aren't helping matters but not a single hour of Raw this week even reached 4 million viewers which has become the benchmark for the regular viewership in recent times. We have seen a pattern of people tuning in and then leaving in the third hour but they aren't even doing that anymore. The standard 2 hours of Raw this week still only amounted to a 2.5 overall. And I'm not even discussing Punk here. He just happens to be the guy in the centre of the storm because he's the champion, he's the focus of the show and he's getting the most airtime. Whether it's him in this position or not, the fact still remains and regardless of the extra stress the third hour brings, when the main program on the show isn't pulling in the viewers then you're already beat. That encompasses Punk, Cena and creative as a whole. Raw can't even sustain it's regular weekly viewers now. That's a pretty serious problem.
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Nope. You still dont get it.

Main event storyline in key segments is always going to gain viewers.



Yes he is.
Really? That's interesting you brought that up.

April 23rd, 2012-go home show for ER. Edge telling John Cena he needs to beat Brock on Sunday opens up the show. A Hall of Famer and your top guy in the company, the proven ratings draw. Quarter hour-2.60, at the time one of the worst of the year.

That defeats your theory, evidently.
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Inference: Punk cant draw shit or a fly

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You know nothing about ratings, you dont understand how it works.
He cant draw for buyrates when was the last time he headlined a PPV anyway .
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He cant draw for buyrates when was the last time he headlined a PPV anyway .
Didn't you think 4.7 million viewers equalled a 4.7 rating when you read that chart somebody posted yesterday? Yeah, I really wouldn't go preaching about people knowing nothing about ratings if I were you. Just saying.
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No doubt the 3 hours aren't helping matters but not a single hour of Raw this week even reached 4 million viewers which has become the benchmark for the regular viewership in recent times. We have seen a pattern of people tuning in and then leaving in the third hour but they aren't even doing that anymore. The standard 2 hours of Raw this week still only amounted to a 2.5 overall. And I'm not even discussing Punk here. He just happens to be the guy in the centre of the storm because he's the champion, he's the focus of the show and he's getting the most airtime. Whether it's him in this position or not, the fact still remains and regardless of the extra stress the third hour brings, when the main program on the show isn't pulling in the viewers then you're already beat. That encompasses Punk, Cena and creative as a whole. Raw can't even sustain it's regular weekly viewers now. That's a pretty serious problem.
You're right, of course. It's kinda sad, because I'm a huge fan of Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, etc, and I'm turned off the product even as they're getting main event slots and big pushes, just because the product is in a huge creative morass and showing no signs of getting out of it. I can't imagine what it's like for a "casual" fan who only invests in the surface level of WWE. Especially now when there's so much genuinely outstanding TV available on-demand that they could watch instead.
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