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Old 10-03-2012, 04:28 PM   #6601 (permalink)
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Punk and the title is the entire focus of Monday night RAW and the overall viewership is the least since 1997. He is the main event storyline, Do you not get it?


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Yeah he does. When was the last time you saw a segment that occupies the Main Event lose viewers?

That's the focal point of the show and that's why those segments will draw the most. They're in the best time slots and because of the momentum they're almost guaranteed to get increase in any scenario.

If Sheamus draws a 1.8 on SD when Henry draws a 2.2 all the blame goes on Sheamus. Nobody says did you see the break down? All of Sheamus's SD segments gained viewers so he's not the problem.

I'm not saying Punk is the problem because I think this alot more to do with the 3 hour broadcasts, but you can't say he's drawing because he's not. People are always going to gravitate towards the storyline that's booked the strongest. That's the Main Event.

Bottom line is Raw's putting put up terrible numbers right now.


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I don't get what you're saying here. I didn't say the overrun lost viewers. The overrun rarely ever loses viewers. It's a gain every single week.

My point is the top storyline is always going to draw in the most viewers. If you accurately show that Punk's segments equal the same amount of viewers that Raw got in "May" in those timeslots you have a much better point than just saying Punk added 500,000 viewers he's not the problem. If 500,000 viewers equals to 3.9 mil and Raw generally gets 4.2 mil in that time slot he's part of the problem.
He's not interesting enough for the casuals. They dont want him to as the top guy, he is over-pushed, over-exposed, extremely forced, glorified mid-card act and the result is lowest viewership in 15 years.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:37 PM   #6602 (permalink)
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They need to get the tittle off punk ASAP, this is getting worse every week...

The guy clearly failed as champ.
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Ok, I understand you. I think it's far more productive to try to gain the confidence not to care what other people think of you, but I understand. I don't care the least who knows that I watch wrestling, and it doesn't matter if it's the PG era or the Attitude era, it's still full of things that could potentially be embarrassing. Stupid things like you describe happened in every era, not to mention that there's always "dumb" things happening that hardcore fans actually like, or at the very least accept. All from basic things like the Irish Whip to there being pseudo-undead that, for some reason, choose to use their powers for wrestling.

And the other part was just to get more info what makes the people that keep on being involved with things they hate tick. It's a pretty interesting phenomenon and it's fun to analyze behavior.
Trust me, if there's one person that doesn't care what others think, it's me. But even I have my limits. What would be embarrassing about it where I live is the fact that everyone has moved on from wrestling since 07/08 and has started becoming a fan of UFC while I'm still stuck in something that has peaked in the past and the only way to go is seemingly down from now on.

And at the very least, the stupid things that took place in the past had that badassness or edginess to them that makes them acceptable to an extent. What I used as examples are shit that 5 years old would probably enjoy and that's pretty much what WWE has turned into. The point I'm trying to make is that they have gone way too childish and it's just sad to one minute watch Austin enter the arena with the middle fingers in the air then shower Vince and The Rock with beer then the next minute watch a modern day segment where Brodus Clay is dancing with kids.
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Punk and the title is the entire focus of Monday night RAW and the overall viewership is the least since 1997. He is the main event storyline, Do you not get it?


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No, apparently you're the one who doesn't 'get it'.

If Punk and the title were the ENTIRE focus of Monday Night Raw, then it'd be him sitting in the ring by himself. But it isn't. That means, he's not the entire focus. That's what ENTIRE means. He's a main focus of the show, sure. But not ENTIRE. In fact, one of the main focuses of the show as well is legends to put over John Cena...(if you haven't noticed in recent weeks).

Punk isn't the (singular) main event storyline. Again, if it was him, he'd be wrestling himself. However, its not. This storyline is twofold. Its part Punk demanding respect because he's the champion, and its part John Cena rising up once again to reclaim the WWE title. Therefore, John Cena vs CM Punk is the main event, not just CM Punk. This is something you evidently don't grasp. Thus, if the main event is CM Punk vs John Cena, and the program is not drawing particularly well, then its the fault of both guys. Not just CM Punk.

You seem so incredibly intent on blaming Punk for this ratings drop and nobody else. You evidently didn't read what I posted before. Ratings are going down across the board for WWE programming, and it doesn't matter who they get to put in the main event: Cena, Rock, Lesnar, Big Show, whatever. Ratings are going down. Punk is currently getting the blame because one single episode of Raw of which he was a main focus of that didn't feature John Cena drew an extremely poor rating. The truth is that this was going to happen eventually anyway (using proof of the past to judge the fate of the future), whether we got John Cena in a feud with Tensai, or another Cena/Big Show feud. It just happened to be when Punk was facing Cena, hence he's getting the heat. You had John Cena vs Rock on Raw for weeks straight, and then what happened in the last 2 Raws before WM? The ratings STILL sucked. Stop with this "lowest in 15 years" crap, a bad rating is a bad rating-it means less people are watching. And I've PROVEN that less people are watching even when Punk wasn't the center of attention.

And since you mentioned overall viewership is down, again, Punk is featured for less than 1/4 of Raw. How does that translate into him getting 100% of the blame? Because he's the champion? The holder of the prestigious WWE title that has been devalued so much over the past year that currently the most valuable championship in the company is in the tag team division? Because he's in the main event for the second time in 10 months?

You also conveniently ignore the fact that Punk's segments gain ratings. Read:

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The Mick Foley/C.M. Punk segment at 9 p.m. gained 877,000 viewers which is one of the best growth segments in weeks and did a 3.22 quarter.

Miz vs. Ryback and the Harry Met Sally segment in the diner lost 533,000 viewers.

Wade Barrett vs. Tyson Kidd and the Jerry Lawler interview stayed even. Iíd suggest thatís probably a combo of a big loss for Barrett vs. Kidd and a big gain back for the Lawler promo but donít have that broken down.

Alberto Del Rio & David Otunga & Ricardo Rodriguez vs. Sheamus & Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara lost 129,000 viewers. That was at the 10 p.m. mark and did a 2.75 quarter, so the three hour show has really done a number on people tuning in at 10 p.m.

The third Bryan & Kane segment and the attack on Bryan & Kane by Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow lost 412,000 viewers and did a 2.45 quarter. They probably were going down anyway at that point given itís a three hour show, but three segments of that was one too many at best and thatís among the worst Raw quarters in 15 years. Well, until the quarter with Layla & Alicia Fox vs. Beth Phoenix & Eve Torres and Brodus Clay vs. Tensai, which lost 34,000 viewers and did a 2.43.
So Punk and Foley brought the show up to a 3.22, and all the good done was promptly shattered by segment after segment of heavy losses (none of which featured Punk) to the point where they were so far in the hole for viewers that they couldn't come back, even with John Cena's drawing power. So Punk draws people in, a bunch of others stars lose viewers and not only undo the good Punk's segment did, but dig the hole further, and yet somehow its Punk's fault because he did his part in helping the problem? That logic is completely retarded.

I don't know why you dislike CM Punk, but your blind hate is extremely irritating, especially when you use shoddy, nonsensical and flat out wrong logic and facts to back it up.
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Nope. You still dont get it.

Main event storyline in key segments is always going to gain viewers.

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Punk and the title is the entire focus of Monday night RAW and the overall viewership is the least since 1997. He is the main event storyline, Do you not get it?


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He's not interesting enough for the casuals. They dont want him to as the top guy, he is over-pushed, over-exposed, extremely forced, glorified mid-card act and the result is lowest viewership in 15 years.

And you don't get that the show is made up of more than 3 segments apart from the Overrun, 10pm and now 9pm segments. How is punk to blame when every single of these segments loses viewers. ALL OF THEM.

For him to make an impact he would need to gain 1million on average every week. He can't do that, NO ONE CAN.

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HHH,Cena,Vince,Jericho,Rock have all lost viewers on the Overrun
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KO Bossy, bringing logic to this thread as usual. It's really very simple to understand. No matter how well someone who's a draw does for a segment in the breakdown (and I'm not saying Punk is/isn't a draw, just to make that point as it's irrelevant whether he draws or not), as long as WWE puts out shit like what KO Bossy described, people will tune out in droves and the average for Raw will decrease severely. Now if it was Cena/Taker/HHH out there in those times besides Punk, would that segment do a lot better? Would the overall number be that much better? Let's just use this as an example:

Q1: 4,000,000
Q2: 3,600,000
Q3: 3,300,000
Q4: 3,100,000
Q5: 3,800,000
Q6: 3,600,000
Q7: 3,300,000
Q8: 3,000,000
Q9: 3,400,000
Q10: 3,300,000
Q11: 3,100,000
Q12: 2,900,000
Overrun: 4,100,000

Let's pretend for a second that is a Raw breakdown (realistic or unrealistic is irrelevant). The average viewership number for that is 3,423,000 (rounded). Now let's say HHH was there, and was in Q5 and the OR. Let's say Q5 and the overrun did 500,000 more than it did in that breakdown (which is more than it'd probably be anyway, but let's just keep it rolling). The average rating, despite those vastly increased numbers only goes up to 3,500,000. Let's even say HHH did a million better in each segment than Punk would. The average would be about 3,576,000, only 150,000 more than Punk. Now granted this isn't factoring in advertising for HHH, which would cause more people to tune in initially, but that is a whole other thing. This is assuming that they appear on the fly for a 15 minute segment, which is what's the case with Punk most of the time anyway. But even if they did advertise HHH for the show, it would just cause more people to watch his segment, but not necessarily the rest of the show, which is still the problem.

Hopefully that clears it up for some people. Even if Punk is 2-3 of the major key points, it's not like anyone else, even those who are draws, would be able to impact the show's overall rating that much if they were in his place. What makes this especially true is WWE is predictable, even I'm sure the casuals notice bigger things happen at the start of the show, at the turn of the hours and at the end of the show, so they'd know to only tune in at those points anyway.

KO Bossy's point (at least from what I got) wasn't that Punk is some super draw, just that he's not responsible for the show's decline solely. It's the filler crap that people will tune out during, not Punk (most of the time).
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why do people like blaming a certain star or whatever? How about blaming the product in general.
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