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post #6511 of 9131 (permalink) Old 10-02-2012, 08:14 PM
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You know what the big problem with Raw this week was? That it was so all over the place with everyone that even CM Punk wasn't the focus of the show like he was last week. This week the show revolved around nothing, except maybe the whole AJ/Trainer shit that was never going to go anywhere and promoting JR's appreciation night for the first 2 hours. There was no real focus on anything throughout the show, and that made the show suffer greatly. That, and the fact the quality of the stuff was absolutely terrible. Punk/JR had a great promo, but it really didn't go anywhere and was a weaker version of last week's Punk/Foley promo. Sandow/Sheamus was good but the ending sucked and the debate between Sheamus and Show was awful.

If anything, this shows just what a mistake it was to keep Cena at the top of the mountain all the years and not build up any new stars who could be at that level. And if it looked like they were going to, something fucked it up. Jeff Hardy? He fucked himself over and left. CM Punk? Already explained that in the past week. Randy Orton? A horrible booking choice at WM25 cost him all his momentum and he lost his chance being in Cena's league as a star/draw. Wade Barrett/Nexus? Cena destroyed Barrett, Barrett lost all the heat he had and the potential at being the top heel of the company now, and Nexus was destroyed by Cena/Orton in both versions. And because of all this, if Cena goes down WWE has no one to keep up the numbers. Rock has movies. Lesnar only has a limited number of dates. Taker's shape is too poor at this point in his life to compete consistently. HHH has become fully corporate and has problems at performing at a top level himself. Cena's the only guy right now they have to keep the show afloat due to their terrible bookings, including the summer of Punk last year, and now they're paying for it.

God forbid Cena get injured, WWE is fucked unless they create a new top level star fast. Sheamus isn't there yet. Ryback I truly think will cease having any allure once his undefeated streak is gone, and Punk has turned heel and even if he turned face again, I can't see him being the top face anymore. Randy's chances are over, and there's no one else even remotely close.

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post #6512 of 9131 (permalink) Old 10-02-2012, 08:21 PM
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WWE Raw on Monday, October 1 scored a year-low 2.54 rating for all three hours, which is down seven percent from a near-year-low 2.72 rating last week. The standard two-hour rating was actually lower at a 2.53 rating.

Raw's previous low was a 2.40 rating on the Fourth of July 2011. Before that, Raw scored a 2.49 rating the day before Christmas 2007.

- Raw averaged 3.50 million viewers, which was down 285,000 viewers (7.5 percent) compared to last week and the fewest viewers in over five years. All three hours were about the same, ranging from 3.43 to 3.60 million viewers.

Hourly Breakdown: 3.44 million first hour viewers, an increase to 3.60 million second hour viewers, and a now-typical third hour decline to 3.47 million viewers.

- On cable TV Monday night, Raw ranked #3 behind Monday Night Football, which was up three percent to 16.6 million viewers for Cowboys vs. Bears, and "Major Crimes" on TNT. In the key male demos, Raw ranked #2 behind Monday Night Football, which drew six times as many males 18-49 as Raw did.

- In Raw's weekly demos, the show registered year-lows in males 12-34, males 18-49, males 18-34, adults 18-49, and adults 18-34.

The drop-offs from last week were very noticeable, as males 12-34 was down two-tenths of a rating, males 18-49 was down 17 percent, and males 18-34 was down three-tenths of a rating.
Too bad, I liked the show and matches/segments this week.

Apparently Caldwell thinks Punk is Over-exposed -
It was clearly going to be a rough outing this week after last week's poor rating and Raw going against the Cowboys vs. Bears this week, but the reality of Raw's ratings situation is very startling. It should send WWE a few messages: the bill is coming due on WWE's procrastination developing the next John Cena or a combination of tip-top stars to fill the gap when he's off TV for even one week, they need to start taking better care of their stars who could be the next Cena, they have to create a hook for the following week because they're giving away everything and leaving viewers wanting nothing in this three-hour Raw era, and stars are being over-exposed. C.M. Punk has been in six major segments the past two weeks - it's just too much. Plus, add in a new TV show on Wednesdays and two hours of Smackdown after the Smackdown brand dominates Raw, and there's a lot of content to fill without a roster to handle the load and draw in an audience.
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amazing Rating,CM Punk just a joke.
I hope Raw get 2.0 rating one day.
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amazing Rating,CM Punk just a joke.
I hope Raw get 2.0 rating one day.
Yes, let's put the blame on Punk and not how shitty the entire product as a whole. Actually, that's all Punk's fault too, right?
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Apparently Caldwell thinks Punk is Over-exposed -
EVERYONE is over-exposed. The guys that are just on the show once a week already feel like old hat. That's one of the major problems with RAW. They have to put every person on TV every week when that's uncalled for. It's the same reason why the people that never make TV are never on each week. They don't cycle people in or out & when something hits, they run it into the ground until people turn on it, like G.M. A.J. or the Daniel Bryan/Kane tag team.
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Love the blind Punk hatred still... but then, they are just like the WWE and refuse to see it's the whole damn product that is shit. Let's start blaming the one man that really has that much affect on the product... McMahon.

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Ha, that's quite the number to stew over for them. Whatever it takes for them to get their arses in gear, though. I do wonder how many actually sat through the show yet are applauding this horrid rating and hope that a similar trend will continue? I don't know who could sit through a three hour weekly wrestling show in the first place, but shouldn't you be joining the number of those tuning out as well if you truly can't stand the current climate?

Walk-In's examples of possible changes being made to the show's format raises a good point in this idea of 'conditioning' the viewer. I don't think many casuals would be disdainful of how the shows pan out as many of their favourites get to do their think every weekday, but I'm sure the near-exact model used for each episode doesn't have them thinking they've missed out on too much either. Whether management want to think about it or not, the show's routine layout have been pretty firmly implanted into our idea of how it will all eventuate and that includes audiences of all ages.

And yes, exposure and handling of stars is a major problem. I remember how many were absolutely adamant that when Lesnar would return he should be held off from in-ring competition until much later in the year for the company to reap the fullest rewards off his name marketability. Instead, he faces Cena and loses to Cena a month into his return at the first given PPV.

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Raw needs to call in the big guns

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WWE is killing the cycle instead of kids growing out of WWE at 15 or 16 they are growing out of it at like 9 or 10 and want to watch the bad things not cookie cutter clean image WWE.
This is something I've thought for a while.

When they went back to a PG rating and greatly watered the content down, they said it was to create 'brand loyalty' from an earlier age.

Unfortunately for them, that doesn't work really work long term. By having a show that caters to teenagers and the older demographic a little more, you have an audience that will carry on watching for literally years. Kids will think it's 'cool' to watch it when they're younger and will carry on enjoying it as they grow older.

With a show that only mainly focuses on kids and soccer mom types, you have an audience that will mostly grow out of wrestling and stop watching as soon as they hit their teens, finding it dull and childish.

That being said, it is the fault of the creative team, not the rating itself....WWF from 1997 to 1999 (before they went TV-14) was mostly great stuff, with the likes of Nation of Domination, DX, etc. There's no reason why they can't make a great show like that now within PG guidelines that entertains us older fans, they're just choosing to pour all their focus on (what I believe is) by far the wrong demographic.

At the rate they're shedding viewers at the moment, it won't be too long before TNA is actually considered legit competition to them each week (and I'm saying that as someone who watches TNA)

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Eventually, WWE has to start getting serious about building stars for the future. If John Cena had a career ending injury at Hell in a Cell, what the hell happens to the product? Things are just going to get worse and worse if something doesn't change. An edgier product let's say. I'm not saying Attitude Era, but let's be real here, this shit that WWE gives us every week isn't PG, it's more G rated. There's a lot more that can be done under PG parameters and WWE doesn't do anything. It's alienating a lot of viewers, even the younger teens, more than WWE wanted I bet.

I said for a while that Raw would dip down to 2.5 eventually, but I'm surprised it happened this quickly. There's nothing interesting about the product whatsoever today, and the viewership numbers prove that. What makes people want to tune in on a weekly basis for three hours? Absolutely nothing. Something has to change quickly, because ratings will just continue to drop at this pace.

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