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Old 09-30-2012, 10:46 AM   #6351 (permalink)
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Yikes, another unfunny post from a rejoiner a couple above me. Haven't these guys got jobs or something?

It appears some people persist in skewing these postings to suit their mode of fandom. That takes dedication, I'll give them that! However, it's probably a matter of misinterpretation somewhere along the line where they lost track of the significance of certain things. Granted, I only know a little bit about the entire spectrum of this business so I'll go with areas I know at little to discuss conceptually.

Why not just actually look at what the indications are without getting carried away by our love/dislike (come on, we're not kids anymore and can make a distinction between what's there and what's not) for a wrestler? No biased viewpoints, no sides taken. Just look what's presented in front of our eyes? Then again, not every piece of data is made publicised in the first place which further casts doubt over the validity of our weekly scrutinising sessions. But I digress from my original point, so let's get on with it.

To Punk fans. Numbers suggest that Punk drew a healthy amount casual intrigue in a show that was low in viewership. He's also been the beneficiary of solids gains during other times during his reign and was a hefty merch mover during his white-hot streak in 2011 (actually had Cena toppled off the #1 spot for the first time since 2006-ish I think). However, he's been involved in some very nasty lull-spots such as the countless matchups with Miz that saw viewers get out of dodge, as well as that worrying trend where matches weren't received with nearly as much interest as his promos were.

Punk drew no matter which way people try to spin it as in he gained viewer numbers. As I pointed out before, though, there's a difference between someone who draws and someone who drew. The guy is not a proven stand-alone figure that is capable of carrying the flag solo in barely anything outside of being a big hometown hero. Being at least reliable in most areas for a sustainable amount of time makes you a bankable and investment-worthy draw. Punk isn't at that level.

To his haters. You can attempt to look at this anyway you like like 'he hasn't got a good look, not a company man, can't carry stuff by himself', etc. That's fine as they're all things that can't necessarily be disproven. To draw these fairly obscure comparisons between guys of yesteryear, the push-timeframe ratio in comparison to Punk's and all that, however, could lead us to endless round-about arguments that also can't be proven. Ironically, a lot of anti-Punk point made stray away from the one thing you guys should be relying on: numbers. They indicate, but aren't the summary of someone's career until that guy/gal finished up one way or another.





Like these ones. How can one accurately compare one era to another when the company works its model around different cycles through the generations? How can one compare the stars of one era to another when they were the beneficiaries of many things that these guys weren't and, to a lesser extent, vice versa? How could you be confident in this 'guideline to drawing' that performers must adhere to when they are subjected to the different timeframes, audiences, business models, as well their own strengths and weaknesses? This is particularly interesting to note when you acknowledge the factor/importance of 'good vs. poor' booking which most people view as spasmodic and lackadaisical nowadays in comparison to yesteryear.

And if you really think he was getting pushed for 6 years then you're off the mark. Punk has not been in the spotlight for 6 years. As for his biggest push to date, keep in mind he has been on the end of it for a little over a year where has been through a heel turn, a face turn, back to a heel turn almost to the exact day within that timeframe. Today's audiences in particular appear to take time to acclimatise to change.

The business can be quite reactionary, and has to respond to the world changing around it (no matter how their renowned micromanagement style goes about getting a unity amongst workers in their performance style). Times and circumstances change, which means performers are never likely to be, nor received generally, as their proceeders. It's common consensus by a lot of people that this is a particularly awkward era for wrestling promotions as well, in spite of the turbulent nature and esoteric interest group that's always been apart of this line of work.

People really should be patient with the business side of things, although I don't know why fans have to be considering it shouldn't need to satisfy their nosey-parker ways in the first place. The whole notion is a lot like an overgrown baby at first - it stinks, it cries, is a really fucking heavy thing to drag along and needs a whole lotta' nurturing. If it's raised right, though, it grows up big and strong and is the result of a lot of quality time invested into it.
This was a very refreshing post to read in this thread that is usually filled with subjective bullshit.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:52 AM   #6352 (permalink)
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He beat Cena for ONE month in merch sales. ONE MONTH.

His marks are still pretending he's top merch guy.
Was actually more than one month and went head to head with him month after month for a good bit (can look a find reports of them being neck and neck in merch sales in February). Don't know if that is still the case as of now or even lately since it's been a bit since Punk has had new merch out but yeah I'm certain his run of topping and being head to head with him is much longer than you're giving credit for.
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It would seem Ryback is the backup plan if Cena isn't cleared to compete at HITC...which honestly is intriguing. Punk/Ryback could do something memorable in a HITC given their workstyles. If Punk wins, he ends the streak and adds credibility...and Ryback gets a potential HUGE match to push him into the upper scene. I don't see a bad side to this, amazingly, if that's where this is headed.
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He beat Cena for ONE month in merch sales. ONE MONTH.

His marks are still pretending he's top merch guy.
You know guessing is really good, it can fool people. One month, I'm sure it's more than that, as I was checking his merch after that for more than 4 months and he was still the top merchandise seller, because I bought one and he was still in the top. I'm not assuming things, I said check WWEshop, and the only thing you could say is "ONE month".

Edited: As PHX said they were reports about it.

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No, Jeff Hardy wasn't a big draw, Rock316ae.

In SD when he was the WWE champion he drew:

Many 1.8, and two or more 1.7, and 1.9 and ever since he left, ratings got to 2.0+ constantly and Punk was the champ for 3 weeks within them. Also I remember Jeff Hardy/Trips lost viewers in the overrun on Raw. He was just massively over with the crowed and got high merchandise sales.

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2010 - Attendance for this past week’s TNA Wrestling live event tour was dubbed “horrible,” especially considering that World Heavyweight Champion Jeff Hardy headlined the cards. Thursday in Sedalia, MO drew 600, Friday in Springfield, MO drew 300, and Saturday in West Plains, MO drew 500.

Just for a further prove.

So, as always I proved that you're wrong troll.

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To Chock2death:

Punk gets his name chanted over Cena every time. So I don't see your point, he gets Cena sucks chants, that's not support chants. And about the merchandise I already proved it.

Again you two trolls, hide behind your red reps, I know you can't handle the truth.

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Old 09-30-2012, 11:06 AM   #6355 (permalink)
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You do know WWE shop lists aren't fact, right? You can go on there one day and check top sellers and then the next day the top sellers list is totally different from the day before.

He beat him for one month in all demos. After that, Cena went back to being king.
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You do know WWE shop lists aren't fact, right? You can go on there one day and check top sellers and then the next day the top sellers list is totally different from the day before.

He beat him for one month in all demos. After that, Cena went back to being king.
That's the thing you don't have a prove. It's more than that, Punk said it in his interviews after the one month, it was for months after.
No, WWEshop never said Ziggler was the top merchandise seller to not believe it. Punk was #1 and Cena was #2 that's what I saw for months. Cena only beats him in kids category.
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You haven't proved a damn thing. I searched on google and all I got was a report from October that states Punk has overtaken Cena as the top seller and another from February that says they are "neck and neck". Nothing more.

And the more you cry about red reps, the more I'll hand out. I'm not "hiding" behind anything, I'm very open about red repping you.
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You haven't proved a damn thing. I searched on google and all I got was a report from October that states Punk has overtaken Cena as the top seller and another from February that says they are "neck and neck". Nothing more.

And the more you cry about red reps, the more I'll hand out. I'm not "hiding" behind anything, I'm very open about red repping you.
I'm not crying about it dude as much as you're, I'm just laughing at you guys as you're the only ones giving me more than 30+ red reps. Are you both the same guys or something . Or both of you are just obsessed. You're just mad about the truth as you can't respond to me and handle it, so you have no choice but to give me red reps and hide, you're weak that's why. It's old news you can't easily find it on Google. As I said watch his old interviews, you gonna find it somewhere.

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I'm not crying about it dude as much as you're, I'm just laughing at you guys as you're the only ones giving me more than 30+ red reps. Are you both the same guys or something . Or both of you are just obsessed. You're just mad about the truth as you can't respond to me and handle it, so you have no choice but to give me red reps and hide, you're weak that's why. It's old news you can't easily find it on Google. As I said watch his old interviews, you gonna find it somewhere.
"Weak"? Hah, give me a break. You act like it's a fight or something. Only time I red rep you is when you moan about it or make stupid posts which happens A LOT, hence the "30+" reds. And the fact that you name-check me on your sig shows just how much you are bothered by it so therefore, I'll continue doing it just for that, but I'm fair enough so the posts I rep actually deserve it! And you threatened Green Light with "I'm gonna unleash red rep on you every hour". How sad is that? Not to mention since you are in the red, you can't rep anybody!

And "the truth"? Only thing you come out with is mad bullshit, you still haven't proved anything about merchandise sales other than saying "its on google go watch his interview". Like I said, my google search showed me two reports, one from October that says Punk has become #1 merch seller and another from February that says Cena and Punk are "neck and neck".

Until you're willing to prove what you're saying with actual links other than "some old interview", this is the last time I'm replying to you and from now on, only replies I'll hand out are through red reps!
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The more that I think about it, the more I realize just how eerily similar Orton and Punk are. Why there is so much fighting between the two fanbases is something I will never understand.
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