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Old 09-30-2012, 06:40 AM   #6341 (permalink)
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From live reports, some guy called Sandrone was first to walk out and was telling others to leave as well. His words were to this affact "lets leave people, King Cena has had his match and just some midget is up next"
Well, that's a turn up for the books. This Sandrone guys really hates Phil.
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That little putz Danny boy is another terror to the ratings.Seems whenever Bryan's segment is shown people probably go make a sandwich for little jimmy,attend nature's call or check their email BUT only after ensuring they have changed to a different channel

Now imagine Bryan being the Face of the company as per the wet dreams of IWC hipsters and guys like THE Rock,taker,bork laser,trips jobbing to him,Punk,Amberhoes, on a regular basis at PPV ('cause they are only part time wrassslers). BAAAAAA
Dean Ambrose vs Bryan - Iron man match to decide the No 1 contender for Punk's WWE belt.On the other side Cessaro and Willam regal slug it out for Doll Jiggler's WHC..Of course guys like Guan Sena,Shemus,Ryback,KANE,Big show are routinely used in comedic segments(similar to santino's) for their inability to compete in 40+ min matches and usually passing-out in the middle of the ring when up against the said indy stars.The minimum alloted time for each match is no less than 40 min and the ME is a 2 Hr long affair.Hang on...enough of this indy take over shit.

Thank God Vince still has some brain cells left in him.That is why ROH is ROH and WWE is in WWE's place as the numero uno company.
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tomorrow they will go up against Cowboys vs Bears (I am watching that since am Cowboys fan) and whole bunch of returning sitcoms & drama shows, along with fans who can't watch 3 straight hours of the show. Not sure how much the ratings will improve, if at all.
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i am afraid they might sink even further
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Yikes, another unfunny post from a rejoiner a couple above me. Haven't these guys got jobs or something?

It appears some people persist in skewing these postings to suit their mode of fandom. That takes dedication, I'll give them that! However, it's probably a matter of misinterpretation somewhere along the line where they lost track of the significance of certain things. Granted, I only know a little bit about the entire spectrum of this business so I'll go with areas I know at little to discuss conceptually.

Why not just actually look at what the indications are without getting carried away by our love/dislike (come on, we're not kids anymore and can make a distinction between what's there and what's not) for a wrestler? No biased viewpoints, no sides taken. Just look what's presented in front of our eyes? Then again, not every piece of data is made publicised in the first place which further casts doubt over the validity of our weekly scrutinising sessions. But I digress from my original point, so let's get on with it.

To Punk fans. Numbers suggest that Punk drew a healthy amount casual intrigue in a show that was low in viewership. He's also been the beneficiary of solids gains during other times during his reign and was a hefty merch mover during his white-hot streak in 2011 (actually had Cena toppled off the #1 spot for the first time since 2006-ish I think). However, he's been involved in some very nasty lull-spots such as the countless matchups with Miz that saw viewers get out of dodge, as well as that worrying trend where matches weren't received with nearly as much interest as his promos were.

Punk drew no matter which way people try to spin it as in he gained viewer numbers. As I pointed out before, though, there's a difference between someone who draws and someone who drew. The guy is not a proven stand-alone figure that is capable of carrying the flag solo in barely anything outside of being a big hometown hero. Being at least reliable in most areas for a sustainable amount of time makes you a bankable and investment-worthy draw. Punk isn't at that level.

To his haters. You can attempt to look at this anyway you like like 'he hasn't got a good look, not a company man, can't carry stuff by himself', etc. That's fine as they're all things that can't necessarily be disproven. To draw these fairly obscure comparisons between guys of yesteryear, the push-timeframe ratio in comparison to Punk's and all that, however, could lead us to endless round-about arguments that also can't be proven. Ironically, a lot of anti-Punk point made stray away from the one thing you guys should be relying on: numbers. They indicate, but aren't the summary of someone's career until that guy/gal finished up one way or another.

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Like these ones. How can one accurately compare one era to another when the company works its model around different cycles through the generations? How can one compare the stars of one era to another when they were the beneficiaries of many things that these guys weren't and, to a lesser extent, vice versa? How could you be confident in this 'guideline to drawing' that performers must adhere to when they are subjected to the different timeframes, audiences, business models, as well their own strengths and weaknesses? This is particularly interesting to note when you acknowledge the factor/importance of 'good vs. poor' booking which most people view as spasmodic and lackadaisical nowadays in comparison to yesteryear.

And if you really think he was getting pushed for 6 years then you're off the mark. Punk has not been in the spotlight for 6 years. As for his biggest push to date, keep in mind he has been on the end of it for a little over a year where has been through a heel turn, a face turn, back to a heel turn almost to the exact day within that timeframe. Today's audiences in particular appear to take time to acclimatise to change.

The business can be quite reactionary, and has to respond to the world changing around it (no matter how their renowned micromanagement style goes about getting a unity amongst workers in their performance style). Times and circumstances change, which means performers are never likely to be, nor received generally, as their proceeders. It's common consensus by a lot of people that this is a particularly awkward era for wrestling promotions as well, in spite of the turbulent nature and esoteric interest group that's always been apart of this line of work.

People really should be patient with the business side of things, although I don't know why fans have to be considering it shouldn't need to satisfy their nosey-parker ways in the first place. The whole notion is a lot like an overgrown baby at first - it stinks, it cries, is a really fucking heavy thing to drag along and needs a whole lotta' nurturing. If it's raised right, though, it grows up big and strong and is the result of a lot of quality time invested into it.
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He's not going to look strong against Batista who was the second biggest babyface behind Cena, especially not with his looks. No other superstar is going to look strong against batista unless its someone bigger than him, Cena or legends like HHH/Taker. Working with batista is big rub, you dont need to win or booked dominantly to get that.





Once again, He retired Jeff freaking hardy, he WON that MAIN EVENT feud. Taker took the title off him but the win over Jeff hardy gave punk big credibility.



There is no such thing as bad exposure when working against Top stars, unless its a repulsive storyline/angles like Katie Vick. Being the leader of the stable, dominating RAW/SD show as top heel, being a threat to the top babyfaces? This is bad exposure to you? If anything he was presented as an equal to those top faces more than he deserved.

Again, you just fail to see the primary push given to him, working against top guys, dominating them as heels etc.. which most superstars on the roster would kill for.



Casuals know who THEY bought the ppv for, who they pay money for and trust me its not Punk. Cena main evented because they paid to see him. No point in having the guy main event when he's mid card act in reality. He's played second to Cena because thats what he really was.

If the credibility of the WWE title was an issue, then they should have taken the title off him. Not falsely book the mid card act as a main event attraction.



He has been the focus of the show for a very long time now, you dont even realize it. Results have been the same in terms of ratings, with Cena and the mega-stars still holding the fort because otherwise we wouldnt be having this discussions at all.




He was, before and after TLC PPV for two months when the main event and overrun bombed huge, like never seen before and WWE obviously panicked and took him off the main events. Besides, Summer of punk 2011 was punk's peak, how did that work out for ratings?

Like Cena said in his promo, there is no conspiracy here. Punk lacks "it", he's unable to connect with masses and WWE was left with no other choice.



Thats because Cena is the top prize currently who is full time. As noted above, Summer of punk failed to increase anything other than one ppv by 20,000 extra buys.



He was, time after time through years to prove himself. If you stopped looking for these excuses, maybe you'd notice it.





And you contradicted there yourself. Austin through 1996/1997 didnt receive the mega push that he did in 1998. Most of 96 through mid 97 was weak stuff. The Rock received some of the worst bullshit booking when he was put against Billy gunn over the tag title despite the insane overness, Benoit/Goldberg/Micheals/Austin have all destroyed Evolution at one point and multiple times in that period. Austin always made them look like chumps even though he was only a authority figure and not a wrestler. Triple H until dec 1999, is quite possibly the weakest booked top heel in history, not only was he constantly overshadowed by corporate ministry but also lost his no.1 contender's spot to a woman in Chyna. Always got his ass whipped at the highest level by Austin that entire year even as the WWF Champion. In 2003, HHH similar to punk was overshadowed by Rock/Austin, Brock/Angle and even Vince/Hogan. Cena, again similar to punk received a great main event push only on the B-show, as did Lesnar for the most part. AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM DREW despite the set backs.




Absolutely laughable post. You have no clue what "it" means. Its the ability to connect with fans where they are willing to pay money to see you perform, buy PPVs on your name alone, tune in when you're on their TV screen. Ability to draw, ability to grab someone’s attention, to possess the charisma, charm, skills and a look to back the character is "IT Factor". By your logic, the only one's who had it are Rock, Hogan, Austin, ultimate warrior and Goldberg. According to you, The Undertaker never had "It" because he was never the biggest, never was a top guy in the company, almost never lost any feud, has the most match wins in WWE history even more than John Cena, plus always a guaranteed wrestlemania win to protect him. Even in the 90s and even as a heel he hardly lost to anyone other than Austin and Bret. But it would be completely idiotic on my part to claim The Undertaker didnt have "It" when he's become one of the biggest legends. With that ridiculous statement "Biggest superstar of all time", what you're trying to say is Randy Savage never had "it" or Ric Flair never had "It" or Sting, Nash etc. To say HHH didnt have "IT" is stupid especially considering his 2002 peak, when he was bumping ratings and buyrates huge along with Hogan, as a babyface upon his return.




No, they are reasons why many of his pushes didnt end well with the right pay-off but they become excuses when used as such, to cover up for his lack of drawing ability.

I stand by what I said few pages back, Anyone else with the same 6 yr push would have been a solid reliable draw for WWE by now.
There is a big different between exposure and pleasure. Punk defeated Jeff Hardy but that feud was been carried by Punk, and it was the feud of the year. The next thing was him going against Taker ratings went up when they found out how far Punk is going, but he lost countless times to him, it made him look weak as hell. That doesn't help his cerdibility at all, it just kills it. Give me one big star that was booked like Punk and was a big draw, I dare you to find one.

, Punk cant connect with the masses. Sounds weird as Cena can't do that either. Punk is the guy who gets his name chanted every week, that doesn't happen to Cena. As I said before Punk gained over a million viewers on his way to MiTB, and also all the way to Night of Champion with Trips and Nash and himself alone. So he never failed actually, they just dont want to go deep with him.

As for merchandise, Punk has been beating Cena in many categories for more than 8 months, and now he's still going toe to toe with him, check out WWEshop, for prove.

Evolution is way too different to compare, . Do you realise that Trips had defeated the names you mentioned . So it doesn't matter, Punk never defeated Cena, Orton, Trips, HBK, Batista, Taker, fair and squere and he didn't face some of them either. Who the hell is Jeff Hardy to make Punk a big draw, when he never was in the first place.

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He beat Cena for ONE month in merch sales. ONE MONTH.

His marks are still pretending he's top merch guy.
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