[Gamblor]

I see what you're saying Pro Royka, but do you have Raw 2009 breakdowns, or know where to find them? I tried Google, but didn't see anything.

[NearFall]

Originally Posted by Pro Royka

Whats your point. Yes, you need to check the breakdowns to see his/her drawing abilitys. That's what I always base my opinion on.

Edited: How can you blame one guy for a full show, specially if it's a 3 hour show.

But you're saying it when Orton is a proven higher draw in his peak than Punk was, I was assuming that you were saying it as if Choke2Death implied Orton "carried" the show. (Akin to the statement Punk "ruining" the show in terms of low ratings). It didn't make sense to me.

[The Lady Killer]

Originally Posted by Pro Royka

Edited: How can you blame one guy for a full show, specially if it's a 3 hour show.

You don't, they're all bad draws. You could draw a connection between the champion (since they're usually the most heavily featured) and ratings trends, though (i.e. The 1995 Diesel Effect, or the soon-to-follow 1996 Shawn Michaels Effect). Champ usually takes the fall.

[Pro Royka]

Originally Posted by The Sandrone

I see what you're saying Pro Royka, but do you have Raw 2009 breakdowns, or know where to find them? I tried Google, but didn't see anything.

It's really hard to find, I could try tho. I did find some of the ones in 2010, not sure in 2009 I will check.

Originally Posted by The Lady Killer

You don't, they're all bad draws. You could draw a connection between the champion (since they're usually the most heavily featured) and ratings trends, though (i.e. The 1995 Diesel Effect, or the soon-to-follow 1996 Shawn Michaels Effect). Champ usually takes the fall.

Sounds good, they do get the blame but 3 hours show never was a good idea, even in the past. Today era is really different, it takes years to get them back, because many of the current wrestlers aren't build enough to reach that level.

[Pro Royka]

By James Caldwell, Torch assistant editor


WWE Raw TV ratings in 2009 were marked by definitive fluctuations that occurred due to specific events. The first three months of the year were the most consistent building to WrestleMania 25, then a post-Mania lull, seasonal changes, and the guest host concept created those distinct changes.

Looking at the average of each three-month period that makes up the four quarters of the year, the first quarter from January to March averaged a 3.67 rating and 5.41 million viewers. April to June (Q2) declined slightly to a 3.66 rating and 5.36 million viewers.

July to September (Q3) declined a little more to a 3.62 rating and 5.24 million viewers. This was followed by a distinct drop-off to a 3.39 rating and 4.93 million viewers from October to December (Q4). The following is a graph of the quarterly ratings trend.

Q1 - 3.67 rating and 5.41 million viewers
Q2 - 3.66 rating and 5.36 million viewers
Q3 - 3.62 rating and 5.24 million viewers
Q4 - 3.39 rating and 4.93 million viewers

There are patterns within the quarterly break down that captured the distinct fluctuations. The first quarter of the year contained the second-most watched month of TV when February averaged a 3.81 rating and 5.61 million viewers. This fed into a relatively strong month of March prior to WrestleMania 25.

The month of April (Q2) started strong with post-WrestleMania fall-out, but then completely tapered off to where the month of May nearly hit rock-bottom for the year. If not for November's weak TV ratings, May would have been the least-watched month of Raw programming during the year.

WWE instituted the guest-hosting concept at the end of June after incorporating Donald Trump into storylines that helped boost the Q2 average rating. That created an upward trend for Q3 that lasted until August for the Summerslam build-up. However, at the end of Q3 in September, ratings dropped off 7.9 percent compared to August.

The final three months of the year from October to December were part of the natural seasonal decline in viewership against Monday Night Football on ESPN. WWE tried to utilize the guest-hosting concept to off-set declines in viewership and it helped to some degree.

The fourth quarter declined 7.9 percent in TV ratings compared to the first quarter at the beginning of the year. Looking at the same 2008 seasonal changes, the fourth quarter 2008 declined 13.0 percent compared to the first quarter at the beginning of 2008.

In Part 2, we'll do a complete comparison of 2009 overall ratings compared to the 2008 overall ratings while also comparing the yearly trends. The following is a list of several periodic comparisons to create a visual of the 2009 trend in Raw TV ratings.

2009 Monthly Raw TV averages

-- Jan: 3.59 rating and 5.29 million viewers
-- Feb: 3.81 rating and 5.61 million viewers
-- Mar: 3.63 rating and 5.32 million viewers
-- Apr: 3.77 rating and 5.52 million viewers
-- May: 3.35 rating and 4.78 million viewers
-- June: 3.87 rating and 5.77 million viewers
-- July: 3.66 rating and 5.32 million viewers
-- Aug: 3.74 rating and 5.42 million viewers
-- Sept: 3.47 rating and 4.97 million viewers
-- Oct: 3.42 rating and 4.92 million viewers
-- Nov: 3.34 rating and 4.85 million viewers
-- Dec: 3.39 rating and 5.01 million viewers
-- 2009 Average: 3.59 rating and 5.23 million viewers

Quarterly Raw TV averages

-- January: 3.59 rating and 5.29 million viewers
-- February: 3.81 rating and 5.61 million viewers
-- March: 3.63 rating and 5.32 million viewers
Q1 - 3.67 rating and 5.41 million viewers

-- April: 3.77 rating and 5.52 million viewers
-- May: 3.35 rating and 4.78 million viewers
-- June: 3.87 rating and 5.77 million viewers
Q2 - 3.66 rating and 5.36 million viewers

-- July: 3.66 rating and 5.32 million viewers
-- Aug: 3.74 rating and 5.42 million viewers
-- Sept: 3.47 rating and 4.97 million viewers
Q3 - 3.62 rating and 5.24 million viewers

-- Oct: 3.42 rating and 4.92 million viewers
-- Nov: 3.34 rating and 4.85 million viewers
-- Dec: 3.39 rating and 5.01 million viewers
Q4 - 3.39 rating and 4.93 million viewers

2009 Monthly Raw TV averages

-- HIGH MONTH: June (3.87 rating and 5.77 million viewers)
-- LOW MONTH: Nov. (3.34 rating and 4.85 million viewers)
-- HIGH % ABOVE YR. AVG.: June was 7.9 percent better than 2009 average
-- LOW % BELOW YR. AVG.: Nov. was 6.8 percent worse than 2009 average

..............

Yes, I found two.


* 9:00: Q1 - 3.53 (Jericho/Flair)
* 9:15: Q2 - 3.26 (Jeff Hardy vs. Dolph Ziggler)
* 9:30: Q3 - 3.19 (Punk, MVP, Kofi and Christian vs. Benjamin, Kane, Finlay and Henry)
* 9:45: Q4 - 3.32 (Orton Interview/Edge and Big Show Entrances)

* 10:00: Q5 - 3.59 (Edge vs. Big Show/Mysterio vs. Regal)
* 10:15: Q6 - 3.73 (Mysterio vs. Regal/Undertaker and HBK Promo)
* 10:30: Q7 - 3.53 (Sanrtino vs. Mickie James)
* 10:45: Q8 - 3.73 (Orton and Dibiase vs. HHH)
* Overrun - 3.67 (Orton and Dibiase vs. HHH cont…)

Credit: Pwinsider.com

* 9:00: 3.28 - Vince vs. Stan Kroenke, The Miz Appears
* 9:15: 3.15 - Miz and Cena, Maryse vs. Kelly
* 9:30: 2.99 - Backstage with fake Jack Nicholson, US Title Shot Triple Threat
* 9:45: 2.90 - US Title Shot Triple Threat, Flair walks
* 10:00: 3.26 - Flair vs. Orton confrontation, Santino comes to the ring
* 10:15: 3.42 - Santino and Mickie vs. Chavo and Beth, Kendrick and Festus vs. Goldust and Hornswoggle
* 10:30: 3.29 - Kendrick and Festus vs. Goldust and Hornswoggle, main event announcement of "players"
* 10:45: 3.31 - 5 on 5 main event
* Overrun: 3.81 - 5 on 5 main event and aftermath

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by NearFall

But isn't that the logic you use when people accuse Punk of not drawing? "Don't look at the full show look at the segment break-downs".

Well said. And blaming bad ratings on Orton for Smackdown 2011 rings a bell too!

And I'll get this in while I'm at it.

Pro Royka logic: "I could [sic] careless [sic] about you trolls" *name-checks said "trolls" on signature*

[Pro Royka]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Well said. And blaming bad ratings on Orton for Smackdown 2011 rings a bell too!

And I'll get this in while I'm at it.

Pro Royka logic: "I could [sic] careless [sic] about you trolls" *name-checks said "trolls" on signature*

Not 2011, I mean 2010 after his peak. So many reason for his peak, Trips one of them, he made sure that Orton and Batista have the best booking and everything else, he made them no question about that. The difference is Batista is a bigger draw both on Raw and SD.

No, sometimes you act like a troll, in the end of the day you're the one who gave me 28+ red reps including Rock316ae and others didn't. I dont waste my time doing that to you. I only respond to your and others comments and you just hide behind your red reps.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by Pro Royka

..............

Yes, I found two.


* 9:00: Q1 - 3.53 (Jericho/Flair)
* 9:15: Q2 - 3.26 (Jeff Hardy vs. Dolph Ziggler)
* 9:30: Q3 - 3.19 (Punk, MVP, Kofi and Christian vs. Benjamin, Kane, Finlay and Henry)
* 9:45: Q4 - 3.32 (Orton Interview/Edge and Big Show Entrances)

* 10:00: Q5 - 3.59 (Edge vs. Big Show/Mysterio vs. Regal)
* 10:15: Q6 - 3.73 (Mysterio vs. Regal/Undertaker and HBK Promo)
* 10:30: Q7 - 3.53 (Sanrtino vs. Mickie James)
* 10:45: Q8 - 3.73 (Orton and Dibiase vs. HHH)
* Overrun - 3.67 (Orton and Dibiase vs. HHH cont…)

Credit: Pwinsider.com

* 9:00: 3.28 - Vince vs. Stan Kroenke, The Miz Appears
* 9:15: 3.15 - Miz and Cena, Maryse vs. Kelly
* 9:30: 2.99 - Backstage with fake Jack Nicholson, US Title Shot Triple Threat
* 9:45: 2.90 - US Title Shot Triple Threat, Flair walks
* 10:00: 3.26 - Flair vs. Orton confrontation, Santino comes to the ring
* 10:15: 3.42 - Santino and Mickie vs. Chavo and Beth, Kendrick and Festus vs. Goldust and Hornswoggle
* 10:30: 3.29 - Kendrick and Festus vs. Goldust and Hornswoggle, main event announcement of "players"
* 10:45: 3.31 - 5 on 5 main event
* Overrun: 3.81 - 5 on 5 main event and aftermath

What were the dates of these shows? That's very interesting that the overrun lost viewers on the first batch when it had Orton and HHH involved. Who was in the 5 on 5 main event? That got a big gain. I can only assume it had something to with HHH, Orton, the McMahons, and/or maybe Taker/HBK, but I'm not sure.

[Pro Royka]

Originally Posted by The Sandrone

What were the dates of these shows? That's very interesting that the overrun lost viewers on the first batch when it had Orton and HHH involved. Who was in the 5 on 5 main event? That got a big gain. I can only assume it had something to with HHH, Orton, the McMahons, and/or maybe Taker/HBK, but I'm not sure.

03.25.2009 and 05.28.2009.

I also found this 02.11.2009.
- As reported yesterday, Monday's edition of WWE Raw scored a 3.4 cable rating, which was down from last week's 3.6. The show did hours of 3.34 and 3.50. Here are the quarter hour breakdowns:

* 9:00 - 3.37
* 9:15 - 3.28
* 9:30 - 3.40

* 9:45 - 3.31
* 10:00 - 3.48. - it's one of those three that Orton was part of, nothing was impressive, he's not a big draw like some says. He lost viewers in the overrun in my previous post, it just proves my point. The show was fully supported by others.
* 10:15 - 3.46

* 10:30 - 3.50
* 10:45 - 3.41
* Overrun - 3.83

[N-destroy]

Originally Posted by The Sandrone

What were the dates of these shows? That's very interesting that the overrun lost viewers on the first batch when it had Orton and HHH involved. Who was in the 5 on 5 main event? That got a big gain. I can only assume it had something to with HHH, Orton, the McMahons, and/or maybe Taker/HBK, but I'm not sure.

The first one was in March, that was the night when Orton kissed Stephanie in the ring after laying her out with an RKO. Back then, I was a member of another popular wrestling forum, I remember when this particular rating breakdown came out, there was a lot of long discussions going on, about why the overrun lost viewers. Apparently the reason was "Man on Woman Violence" tend to be direct rating killers with the casuals. I'm not sure if thats the case but it makes sense since the main event was high point of the show and outdrew the Overrun. Also, i recall someone posted that rating dropped when Cena attacked Lita back in 05/06? at the top of the hour or something. Not too sure though.

The second one was in May. The big rating was because of the conflict over pepsi center with NBA, when WWE had to move the event to staples center coz of double booking on the same date. Vince Mcmahon effectively used it for publicity and booked a 5 on 5 match involving MVP, Cena, Batista, Lawler & Kennedy vs. Orton, Legacy, The Miz & Show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsi_C...ng_controversy

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=4188189

Match sucked but was hilarious,