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Old 09-29-2012, 01:12 AM   #6301 (permalink)
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At this point I'd say Show is a bigger draw than Punk, but compared to the standards we've been comparing Punk to? The likes of Rock/Taker/Cena? I wouldn't call Show a "draw" except in special cases. Though he can pop bigger numbers, bigger than Punk on occasion, he's not consistent, which is the same problem Punk has, though Punk is the WWE Champion and pushed as the number 2 guy, so he sticks out more.

But as I said, on occasion, Show can be a big draw. Like for WM24. Now granted, Mayweather was "The Draw" of the PPV, but I think putting him in a match with Show, because of Show's size that makes him a larger than life figure (to some degree), plus it matches so well with Mayweather, I'd say Show ended up being a bigger draw with Mayweather than anyone else in the company at the time would've (including bigger draws than Show normally like HHH, HBK, Flair, etc.), except maybe Undertaker and Cena. For Taker that's mainly due to the fact a "Streak vs. Streak" match would've been a huge deal, and Taker much like Show has always been a big special attraction draw, though Taker's also generally a big draw as well as the deadman. For Cena he's the number one guy in the company, even back then, and Cena/Mayweather would probably be the biggest match they could make.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:46 AM   #6302 (permalink)
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Regarding ratings it seems that CM Punk cant even hold guan sena's jockstraps

That said i strongly believe Phil is the best internet drawing champion in the world

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Punk's the second biggest draw in the company on the current full time roster. Despite what people in here spout during these MARK WARZS. Then again nobody on the full time roster is that big of a draw anymore, not even Cena. The special attractions are the big draws and the only reason they are is because they're just that, special attractions. They only show up once in a while so it's obvious they'll spark some buzz whenever they come back. But then their appeal dies down. See: Rock during RTWM and Triple H.
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Punk in highest segments of show = Punk at fault for entire show. This thread never fails. The fucking brilliance.
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3 segments gain consistently. Boom end of story, regardless of who is shown. The numbers might jump a couple hundred thousand if A STAR is involved, big fucking WHOOPDIDUODA.

shit ratings until they can keep viewers throughout the show.
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Punk's the second biggest draw in the company on the current full time roster. Despite what people in here spout during these MARK WARZS. Then again nobody on the full time roster is that big of a draw anymore, not even Cena. The special attractions are the big draws and the only reason they are is because they're just that, special attractions. They only show up once in a while so it's obvious they'll spark some buzz whenever they come back. But then their appeal dies down. See: Rock during RTWM and Triple H.
Rock's appeal hasn't died down. WM - 1.217m (so far)
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He is talking about TV ratings which sort of stagnated/were not as good as the year before

Although Rock could have shown up maybe 2 times on Raw and it would still have done 1million+ buys
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Yes. But Rock and Brock will be judged on PPV numbers.

They've done great, great business so far. (Rock has done amazing business.)
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No doubt Big Show is a novelty act, a special attraction to casual fans of sort. And when you plug him into a scenario like facing John Cena in the main event of Raw, a lot of people are probably going to tune in. It's completely anathema to the so-called "IWC," but evidence seems to bear it out.

He's probably a bigger "pure" draw than Punk is, objectively speaking, but then, we're talking about one guy who's been heavily featured in pro wrestling for the last seventeen years, was at or near the top of WCW, before and during the Monday Night Wars and was then a huge "trade," so to speak, when he went to WWE in early 1999. And he's been heavily featured for a long, long time in WWE ever since then; even when he essentially fulfills the duties of a midcarder, he's a "name" that many people like to follow.

Punk is like the guy who had a great season in a sport with his performance last summer when he had some excellent teammates helping him out in Cena, Vince McMahon and Triple H, and it's hard to gauge how and where you place him, whether it's vs. Big Show or not.
I see your point but what about his early push against the likes of Batista, Taker, Jeff Hardy? All those world titles and main events? Didnt he "retire" Jeff hardy in 09, thats huge.

In my opinion, Anyone else in Punk's place with the 6 yrs of push would have been a solid reliable draw by now, for the company.
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Punk's the second biggest draw in the company on the current full time roster. Despite what people in here spout during these MARK WARZS. Then again nobody on the full time roster is that big of a draw anymore, not even Cena. The special attractions are the big draws and the only reason they are is because they're just that, special attractions. They only show up once in a while so it's obvious they'll spark some buzz whenever they come back. But then their appeal dies down. See: Rock during RTWM and Triple H.
What do you keep talking about mark wars for? Myself and a few others actually discuss the numbers regardless of who is behind them. Despite what YOU think about Punk's apparent amazing drawing power, not everybody sees it the same way. The reason the special attractions are big draws isn't just because they are special attractions, it's because the are legitimate money makers, proven and consistent legitimate money makers, something that Punk isn't. When HHH was COO and not doing anything of note, his segments were still better than most. When he actually had a feud or something important going on, the numbers spiked considerably. When Rock appears, things skyrocket. The problem with Rock during the RTWM wasn't Rock, it was the off putting content of the feud with Cena. When it came time for people to actually pay to see him, it broke records. Punk doesn't have an effect on anything. The show wouldn't suffer without him. Ratings wouldn't suffer without him. PPV wouldn't suffer without him. Live events wouldn't suffer without him and that's very clearly a hard pill for you to swallow, that much is obvious. Take Punk off a PPV card and nobody would care. Add Rock/Brock to a PPV card and a LOT of people start to care. I'm pretty sure that were the same discussions happening about the same numbers but they weren't about Punk, you'd be shitting all over whoever else it was but because it's Punk, you can't take your mark glasses off. He just happens to be the current champion and the man in the middle of the storm right now, that's why everybody is talking about and scrutinizing him, not because we're all OMGZ HATERZ HAVIN DEM MARK WARZ.
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