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post #6291 of 9175 (permalink) Old 09-28-2012, 07:16 AM
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As I showed, not comparing both careers because its not really fair, he had a huge cast support. Orton in 2009 lost viewers in the overrun with Triple H, and the show as a whole gained a lot, Orton never gained over a million alone, he had the full support by other big stars such as Trips, Batista, Cena, Vince, Shane, Steph, Flair, Donald Trump all of those guys are the real reason as the breakdowns can easily prove it. If Raw today had Batista, Trips, Lesnar with guys like Punk and Cena, I dont think ratings will be the same. So you can't put the blame on Punk when he needs those guys to help gain viewers within the show. I just used logic, and facts.


Edited: those are Orton numbers as a WWE champion in 2010.

September 20-24 2.8
9/27 – 10/1 2.75 - the lowest in that year, and the highest was Batista as a champion with 3.8, it just proves my point.

October 4-8 3.35
October 11-15 2.9
October 18-22 3.1
October 25-29 3.07
November 1-5 3.26
November 8-12 3.1
November 15-19 +++3.05

Thats lower than any champion in that year of Raw.

And those are from 2011 when he was the WHC champion on SD:


May 2-6 1.74
May 9-13 1.72
May 16-20 1.92
May 23-27 1.83
5/30 – 6/3 1.77
June 6-10 1.79
June 13-17 1.73
June 20-24 1.72
6/27-7/1 1.63 - the lowest in that year. I don't know why I'm not shocked.
July 4-8 1.73
July 11-15 1.72
July 18-22 1.89 - Christain won the title.
July 25-29 2.02 - Christian as a champion, lol Orton even Christian. Christian rocks by the way.
Aug. 1-5 1.81
August 8-12 1.83
August 15-19 1.86 - Orton got the title back.
August 22-26 1.78 - Orton strikes again.

And when Mark "Ratings" Henry got the title, it got between 1.9 to 2.26 (which was the highest that year). Orton big Draw my ass, as this proves he's not.

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IMO, its unfair to compare Orton's 2009 push with that of punk. Orton's push was extremely well planned and booked, starting with Rumble 2009 with HHH being a part of the final four and Orton eliminating him as a heel. And then the feb ppv No way out, his match against Shane Mcmahon, HHH becoming the WWE champion on the same night .. it was all well planned ahead and executed perfectly. It was also the first time they acknowledged HHH's real life relationship with Vince and Stephanie on-screen. All that played a key role in the success of the whole program. The feud itself was extremely intense and personal. Punk's push was largely rushed with no proper planning and pay-off. It was like they didnt know how to proceed with the angle, the week to week booking clearly didnt help. I remember a report at the time that said there was 6 different scripts at one point. The biggest mistake they ever did with the program was bringing him back too early to pop a good buyrate for Summerslam. Also, it should be noted that Orton's peak was wrestlemania season, the program itself peaked with Mcmahons/HHH vs Legacy/Orton brawl on the go home show which did a 4.1 overrun. Punk's push happened suddenly outta no where, in the middle of the summer starting with the shoot, got rushed and fizzled out before you could even figure out the whole storyline.

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Did wwe have to pay for celebrities in 2009?
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Is big show actually a bigger draw than Punk? Lsat time his match with Cena in the main event drew over million viewers and the PPV no way out outdrew last year buyrate.

Is he really a bigger draw? Just wondering.
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RAW is a three hour show that isn't very good. It's tough to make people stick around for a three hour show, even when it is good, and it's impossible to do when it's not. That's why the third hour continually tanks. It's simple, people. You don't need a 5,000 word thesis on how your ARCH ENEMY wrestler X is to blame. Christ.
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RAW is a three hour show that isn't very good. It's tough to make people stick around for a three hour show, even when it is good, and it's impossible to do when it's not. That's why the third hour continually tanks. It's simple, people. You don't need a 5,000 word thesis on how your ARCH ENEMY wrestler X is to blame. Christ.
This, I don't get how some of the people on this site don't get that. Wrestling isn't in a boom period anymore and to casual fans it's just BORING.
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Punk in highest segments of show = Punk at fault for entire show. This thread never fails. The fucking brilliance.






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RAW is a three hour show that isn't very good. It's tough to make people stick around for a three hour show, even when it is good, and it's impossible to do when it's not. That's why the third hour continually tanks. It's simple, people. You don't need a 5,000 word thesis on how your ARCH ENEMY wrestler X is to blame. Christ.
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LOL how many more pages does it take to say Cm Punk cant DRAW its the same thing every week Ratings marks vs Punk marks will it ever end lol
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No doubt Big Show is a novelty act, a special attraction to casual fans of sort. And when you plug him into a scenario like facing John Cena in the main event of Raw, a lot of people are probably going to tune in. It's completely anathema to the so-called "IWC," but evidence seems to bear it out.

He's probably a bigger "pure" draw than Punk is, objectively speaking, but then, we're talking about one guy who's been heavily featured in pro wrestling for the last seventeen years, was at or near the top of WCW, before and during the Monday Night Wars and was then a huge "trade," so to speak, when he went to WWE in early 1999. And he's been heavily featured for a long, long time in WWE ever since then; even when he essentially fulfills the duties of a midcarder, he's a "name" that many people like to follow.

Punk is like the guy who had a great season in a sport with his performance last summer when he had some excellent teammates helping him out in Cena, Vince McMahon and Triple H, and it's hard to gauge how and where you place him, whether it's vs. Big Show or not.

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RAW is a three hour show that isn't very good. It's tough to make people stick around for a three hour show, even when it is good, and it's impossible to do when it's not. That's why the third hour continually tanks. It's simple, people. You don't need a 5,000 word thesis on how your ARCH ENEMY wrestler X is to blame. Christ.
You know... That kind of makes sense to me.

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