[kennedy=god]

Whoever didn't watch missed a great show so it's there loss i guess.

They've had 2 awesome shows in a row now (Well, apart from the Kane/Cena crap) so hopefully they're happy enough with the ratings and continue booking Raw the way they've been doing it the last couple of weeks. They can never seem to keep it consistent though, normally when they have 1 or 2 good shows they follow it up with a shit one

[Old_Skool]

I fully expect a crappy RAW next week due to Vince going ape shit over the consistent'drop off' of viewers throughout the program, which is a shame as I thought RAW has finally begun to turn the corner recently.

[ellthom]

Originally Posted by Old_Skool

I fully expect a crappy RAW next week due to Vince going ape shit over the consistent'drop off' of viewers throughout the program, which is a shame as I thought RAW has finally begun to turn the corner recently.

WWE is as better as its ever been, its just people are not interested in wrestling. Wrestling will never be as popular as it was.People think its something new it isnt.

[Coffey]

WWE is not as good as it's ever been. It's bad. It's a bad product. It's bad wrestling, bad TV, bad story-telling. Bad everything. I could talk about their terrible continuity all day. Zack Ryder loses his belt despite not being medically cleared. But like less than a month ago, Daniel Bryan wasn't allowed to cash-in his Money in the Bank on Mark Henry because he wasn't medically cleared? There's too many holes and none of it makes sense. It's not about little kids, or parents, or going head-to-head against football, or basketball or NCIS or whatever else. The show is just bad.

[kennedy=god]

Originally Posted by Walk-In

WWE is not as good as it's ever been. It's bad. It's a bad product. It's bad wrestling, bad TV, bad story-telling. Bad everything. I could talk about their terrible continuity all day. Zack Ryder loses his belt despite not being medically cleared. But like less than a month ago, Daniel Bryan wasn't allowed to cash-in his Money in the Bank on Mark Henry because he wasn't medically cleared? There's too many holes and none of it makes sense. It's not about little kids, or parents, or going head-to-head against football, or basketball or NCIS or whatever else. The show is just bad.

The one reason you give for it being worse now is that the logic is flawed and they contradict themselves when they've been doing that since the 90's. I don't know what show you've been watching in the past but WWE/F have always changed the rules to make things easier for themselves.

[Marv95]

WWE is as better as its ever been

That's a good one.

Though Raw was actually good this week they hardly give viewers reasons to watch. No matches announced a week beforehand to get excited about, no huge angles to close the show. Whatever they did in the summer and early fall they need to do it here; and even then the product has been so watered down and awful since 2007 they need to keep producing consistently good shows to get viewership back to the mid 2000 levels(4.0s).

Or maybe they need to put the belt on an over heel. Shoulda been HHH/Punk feuding between now and Mania.

[BTNH]

Originally Posted by Marv95

That's a good one.

Though Raw was actually good this week they hardly give viewers reasons to watch. No matches announced a week beforehand to get excited about, no huge angles to close the show. Whatever they did in the summer and early fall they need to do it here; and even then the product has been so watered down and awful since 2007 they need to keep producing consistently good shows to get viewership back to the mid 2000 levels(4.0s).

Or maybe they need to put the belt on an over heel. Shoulda been HHH/Punk feuding between now and Mania.

I agree with all this apart from HHH. Fuck HHH. The last thing we need is an older guy carrying it again. WWE need to make new stars desperately, they cant keep relying on the past.

[Coffey]

Originally Posted by kennedy=god

The one reason you give for it being worse now is that the logic is flawed and they contradict themselves when they've been doing that since the 90's. I don't know what show you've been watching in the past but WWE/F have always changed the rules to make things easier for themselves.

The talent is worse, the show is stale, the writing is inconsistent, there's no emotional investment, outcomes don't matter & parity booking has ruined everyone. WWE also no longer attempts to cater to strengths and hide weaknesses, usually purposely shooting themselves in the foot (usually for petty reasons because they're afraid of being scorned). Better?

I mean, you can talk about how the show is great all you want, while sitting on the internet and talking about wrestling on days when the show ain't on. Bottom line is, most people when they turn on RAW don't give two fucks about a Brodus Clay squash match, a John Laurinaitis promo or Chris Jericho showing up to not do anything. Yeah, it all might lead to something better but in this era of instant gratification, people aren't going to wait for it to get better. They have like seventy other stations and will just find something else. Which is what they have been doing and will continue to do.

It's not compelling television, thus people aren't compelled to watch.

[DesolationRow]

I thought this latest Raw was the best they've produced in probably 3-1/2 months (since the first two weeks or so of October during the height of the Triple H Downfall angle), but that, sadly, is not saying very much. It's almost unfathomable how much the product began to sink--especially on the Raw brand--coming off the heels of Vengeance. I can't help but speculate that much of this was down to the writers knowing The Rock was on his way back, so they didn't need to do any work. Survivor Series was a massive letdown from what it should/could have been.

From around early December through the last week or so, I've been watching Raw and Smackdown strictly out of habit more than anything else.

I did, however, enjoy this latest episode of Raw, primarily because WWE gave at least some focus to their storylines and created actual character motivations for once (Punk, Cena, Kane, Laurinaitis, etceteras). Job well done. For one week, in any case.

I also enjoyed going to the Oakland, CA house show the day before and was stunned when Primo and Epico won the Tag Team Championships at a house show! Found out about a day and a half later why, haha. Oh, Evan Bourne. John Cena, Triple H, CM Punk and Chris Jericho all go to bat for you at different times and this is how you pay them back?

Time to give Kofi Kingston a healthy midcard push again.

Starbuck and obis, thanks for the welcome backs... Will send you an absurdly overdue PM soon, Starbuck! I'm sure you haven't forgotten about our "Axxess plot," haha!

[Verdict123]

Originally Posted by BTNH

I agree with all this apart from HHH. Fuck HHH. The last thing we need is an older guy carrying it again. WWE need to make new stars desperately, they cant keep relying on the past.

This coming from a taker mark.

how many stars had taker made in the past 7 years again? Not to mention, he refuses to retire and let the WM spot for two young up-and-coming superstars.

Overrated Streak is Overrated.