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Old 09-27-2012, 06:14 PM   #6271 (permalink)
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Well look at PPV buyrates. I think the only ones that saw a significant increase from last year were the ones that featured Taker/Rock/Brock/HHH.
Yeah that is true just saying that you said only Cena is bringing in money but other guys do bring in money in different ways. PPV's is just one of many ways. Which I'm glad you brought that point up cause I think Cena's drawing power gets overrated. If he was this Hulk Hogan of our time in that regard the PPV numbers would be better because of him regardless since he pretty much has headline all of them since forever. They wouldn't have to keep using special attractions for PPV's if a PPV was just gonna sell cause Cena was on it.
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:15 PM   #6272 (permalink)
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Obviously others bring in money, but it's all relative. I was strictly referring to TV ratings since this is the Raw ratings thread.
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:41 PM   #6273 (permalink)
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You're going to start shit with that Orton comment lol. His peak trumps Punk's peak by a considerable distance but at the same time, Orton had a much more established supporting cast. As for the whole SD thing, if the roles were reversed and Punk was on SD as the sole 'star' I don't think the ratings there would be any better with him at the helm. The problem on SD is much worse than on Raw.
But Orton was also the top merch seller and got cheered despite being a heel so it's clear that he was a big draw on his own despite having a better supporting cast than the whole roster put together today.
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Is big show actually a bigger draw than Punk? Lsat time his match with Cena in the main event drew over million viewers and the PPV no way out outdrew last year buyrate.

Is he really a bigger draw? Just wondering.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:02 PM   #6275 (permalink)
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But Orton was also the top merch seller and got cheered despite being a heel so it's clear that he was a big draw on his own despite having a better supporting cast than the whole roster put together today.
He was, but not by his own, you need to watch the rest of the show. If you have the breakdowns of 2009 you will understand what I mean.
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He was, but not by his own, you need to watch the rest of the show. If you have the breakdowns of 2009 you will understand what I mean.
But isn't that the logic you use when people accuse Punk of not drawing? "Don't look at the full show look at the segment break-downs".
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But isn't that the logic you use when people accuse Punk of not drawing? "Don't look at the full show look at the segment break-downs".
Whats your point. Yes, you need to check the breakdowns to see his/her drawing abilitys. That's what I always base my opinion on.

Edited: How can you blame one guy for a full show, specially if it's a 3 hour show.

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I see what you're saying Pro Royka, but do you have Raw 2009 breakdowns, or know where to find them? I tried Google, but didn't see anything.
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Whats your point. Yes, you need to check the breakdowns to see his/her drawing abilitys. That's what I always base my opinion on.

Edited: How can you blame one guy for a full show, specially if it's a 3 hour show.
But you're saying it when Orton is a proven higher draw in his peak than Punk was, I was assuming that you were saying it as if Choke2Death implied Orton "carried" the show. (Akin to the statement Punk "ruining" the show in terms of low ratings). It didn't make sense to me.
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You don't, they're all bad draws. You could draw a connection between the champion (since they're usually the most heavily featured) and ratings trends, though (i.e. The 1995 Diesel Effect, or the soon-to-follow 1996 Shawn Michaels Effect). Champ usually takes the fall.
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