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Old 09-27-2012, 06:39 PM   #6261 (permalink)
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You're going to start shit with that Orton comment lol. His peak trumps Punk's peak by a considerable distance but at the same time, Orton had a much more established supporting cast. As for the whole SD thing, if the roles were reversed and Punk was on SD as the sole 'star' I don't think the ratings there would be any better with him at the helm. The problem on SD is much worse than on Raw.
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I know Starbuck, but I was just replying to it. As for only having 1 Cena? Well, that message will seldom be read by them, and even more seldom be taken to heart. Outta interest, when did Cena last lose clean before The Rock? I know Punk came close to "clean" at MITB 2011(some actually consider it clean, but that is BS), but still, I am curious. I think they will ride out the wave that is Cena as long as they can. And when he goes, then they will realise, "Fuck, we need new guys".

As for Orton/Punk debate. Well, Orton drew and had more success in his big run rather than Punk that is just a fact, but it is too much for me to get into now as to my full opinion.(Supporting wrestlers for feuds, timeframe, averages, overall aftermath etc) lol
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Yeah, I figured that'd be a fire starter but fuck it, it's true. The difference is that nobody cares about SD! Results are posted ahead of time and it's always painfully obvious that it's the B-level show. It'd be interesting to see what would happen to Raw's ratings if they swapped Punk for Orton, or even moved Orton to Raw to shake the main event scene up a bit. Punk/Orton is something we've seen before but Punk was nowhere near the level he's at now when they faced each other previously.
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To be honest I don't see anyone approaching Cena's level for a really long time.

It's crazy to think that a few years ago we had a roster consisting of 7-8 full-time Cena's (HBK, HHH, Taker, Rock, Austin, Angle, etc).
That's the problem with wrestling today. Nowadays everyone gets limited opportunities, and Cena gets unlimited opportunities.
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They're afraid of taking Cena out of the main event for fear of a drop in revenue/ratings/merch sales/etc, but at the same time it's extremely dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket. In reality, it's killing their product. They're fortunate that Cena has remained this healthy over the last 8 years.
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Basically, the only full time member of the roster who can draw a dime is Cena. That should be common sense to anyone. All of this TV ratings analysis is futile.
I don't like this misconception as it comes off as people think T.V ratings in 2012 is a indication of how much money a guy is pulling in. Not saying you're doing that with your post but I've seen others with this outlook. Obviously Punk is bringing in some money for Vince or else they would have took the belt off of him long ago. He's still a top merch seller (which seems to be a very underminded aspect on this site), the house shows are doing fine and at one point had to put Punk on the Smackdown shows to help attendance when Orton got suspended. Apparently does better than Cena in regards to people showing up for comic con which there is money there. And of course when it comes to using the hometown factor to pack a house that seems to be a strength they have in Punk since there isn't anyone on the roster who is more loved in their hometown than he is. So Punk is obviously putting money in the companies pocket. Then you got a guy like Rey who always sells merch and is very important to the latin market same with Sin Cara to a lesser extent. I'm sure Orton helps them sell live event tickets for the Smackdown brand, and merch too.

So I don't agree with this assumption that only Cena makes money for the company and everyone else doesn't contribute at all. He of course makes them the most money but not ALL of it is all I'm saying.
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Well look at PPV buyrates. I think the only ones that saw a significant increase from last year were the ones that featured Taker/Rock/Brock/HHH.
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WWE needs MOAR CENA guys. That's why Punk, Orton, Sheamus, and Del Rio will never come close to lacing his boots in terms of drawing power.
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If Cena goes down with something that keeps him out more than a few months, WWE is fucked. The only guy who could maybe even slightly possibly replace Cena based on the fact his matches most of the time lead to increases is... well... Ryback. And that's a big IF, because while people might be content watching him in short burst matches, would he be accepted in main events or would be tune out? And even then, once Ryback loses his undefeated streak, does his appeal and drawing ability instantly go away? WWE seem to be grooming Sheamus, but he's not doing any better on SD for the overall number than Punk is doing for the overall number on Raw.

As far as Punk/Orton goes, they're in the exact same boat for me. They both did feud with HHH, and both involved the McMahon family (to some extent). The difference though was the execution and it's why Orton/HHH did as well as it did and why Orton in 2009 was a proven draw to some extent. Orton/HHH was heated, intense, and very personal with Orton taking out the McMahons one by one leading to him ultimately going against HHH at Mania. Punk/HHH was Punk complaining that HHH was a bad COO and it remained that for the entirety of the feud. It also goes to show that storylines and feuds can draw just as much as the wrestlers in the feud.

However the thing with Orton, was once he didn't have that safety net of HHH and an awesome feud to go along with it, namely I'm talking about in 2010 Raw, he didn't do any better than Punk is doing now as far as overall numbers go (I don't know what the breakdowns were back then, so if anyone wants to fill in, be my guest). Same thing with him on SD in 2011, because once they put the title on Mark Henry, suddenly ratings shot back up to WM ratings time.

But as I said, I don't know what the breakdown numbers of that time on Raw was, and SD doesn't have breakdowns so we can't really do much with that. I just think if you're going to call Orton a draw currently (not in 2009, CURRENTLY), then don't say Punk is not a draw, and vice-versa.
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Punk couldn't even draw in a kids drawing contest...

Takw away guys like Mick out of his segments and those numbers would be nowhere near what they were. And thats the difference. Punk HAS to have someone in there with him of near legend status among attitude fans in either Mick or Heyman. You put him in there alone with no guys like that and watch the numbers fall away. That is the difference between everyone else and Cena. Cena could come out, sit in the ring and not say anything for 30mins and it would still draw.

I know it sounds harsh but apart of me actually hopes Cena get's a really bad injury that will keep him away for months. Because that way WWE will then be forced into doing other things. Punk will then be the main man and your get a lot better idea of what people think about him.

Also if anything these numbers show that the PG era has not worked at all. The numbers are terrible. One of the quarter losses was the worst for over 10 years. WWE needs to go back to being more random/crash style tv. The wrestlers need to get better gimmicks rather then generic heel number 1 Punk or generic Face number 1 Cena.

As I mentioned awhile back rumours here are that Sky are thinking of dropping WWE again when the contract is up at the end of the year. In the UK TNA is destroying wwe and Sky recently picked up their channel and broadcasting rights. If these type of numbers continue you can bet your ass Sky won't re-sign anywhere near for the amount they did in the past. And if they drop out they are screwed as nobody else will do ppv.
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