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Old 09-27-2012, 05:45 PM   #6251 (permalink)
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On the second part, maybe or maybe not. Punk himself has not done anything to become a non-draw, he just doesn't seem to be able to get to that position is all. And if full show ratings are to be used (similar to how it has been used by trolls against Orton on SD), Punk was unable to help them rise from the get go as the go home show for MITB 11 got right below 3.0 which is not what everyone had hoped for. And he also failed in the ratings department around new year time when Cena took a backseat before his feud with Kane came into full force and Punk main evented with other IWC darlings such as Bryan and Zack Ryder. What they're doing now is trying to get him to become a draw by giving him so much TV time after treating him as irrelevant for the longest time being. It may be too late now and so far, ratings are still down.
Punk last year was incredibly over during the summer and sold great merch for two months, and topped August, this indicates to me, at least, that he could have been a better draw if the "summer of Punk" had gone better. The thing is shortly after that it just ended up with him losing and becoming John Cena lite. The whole return and further storyline was a botch. As for December, while the ratings did suffer, the buyrate was pretty steady, it only fell by a few thousand. But the win came off the coattails of Cena/Rock hype for SVS, so that could be an attributing factor. The main thing though is the fact that Punk was just a shadow of himself as a face and the audience probably didn't care.

As for the future, I don't know either. Being treated as second best and non-main eventing as a champion for nearly a year will hurt anybody. I think you're correct in saying they are trying now to build him as a bigger player than previously, as they now know they need him as the top heel. Feuding with Rock, strong booking(Within heel respects) and a decent WrestleMania program (HHH or Sheamus perhaps?) would be the ideals. Feuding with Rock would obviously be the biggest point of his career, and it would cement him as a top heel if done correctly. It should simply be Punk looking for respect amongst a legend, but he should avoid the "DWAYNE" and "IM ALWAYS HERE AND YOU'RE NOT" crap that Cena and Punk himself pulled last year.
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:19 PM   #6252 (permalink)
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Here's my deal.

Rock/Lesnar = Legit crossover stars with mainstream appeal and BIG time draws/money makers. Part time.

HHH/Taker = Legit WWE star attractions with widespread appeal to casuals and big time draws/money makers. Part time.

Legends = Ability to pop a number based on special appearances but no real long term ability due to obvious restrictions. Sporadic appearances.

John Cena = Legit WWE star attraction with widespread appeal to casuals and big time draw/money maker. Full time. Clearly suffering from overexposure and lack of other star attractions.

*Vince McMahon = Legit WWE star attraction with widespread appeal to casuals and big time draw/money maker. Sporadic appearances.

That's your lot in today's WWE. That is your list of draws based on the numbers and overall common sense dictated by those numbers. Where do you place CM Punk on that list?

CM Punk = Not a legitimate star attraction. No widespread appeal to casuals. Not a big time draw/money maker. Full time. Needs help of somebody from the above list to truly make an impact when it comes to drawing.

So I ask again, where does he go on the list? The simple fact is, he doesn't fit on there. That's my issue. You want to call Punk a draw then you're placing him on the same level as other draws when he doesn't have the same credentials. Where's the sense in that? Everybody else on the list has been drawing consistently and at the highest level for years. Their ability to draw fans to TV, sell PPV's, move merch and sell live show tickets is proven. Either that or they are a one off special attraction that obviously aids them in the way that people want to see them because they aren't on all the time. All of them have earned their spot on the list. Factually, they all deserve to be on it. Is Punk at the same level as these guys? Has he met the same criteria and proven that he should be on the list too? No, he hasn't. Which then of course begs the question, is Punk a draw? I think there's only one answer to the question tbh.
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Basically, the only full time member of the roster who can draw a dime is Cena. That should be common sense to anyone. All of this TV ratings analysis is futile.
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Basically, the only full time member of the roster who can draw a dime is Cena. That should be common sense to anyone. All of this TV ratings analysis is futile.
Obviously not since this has been debated ad nauseam lol.
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Well right, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna sift through 629 pages.
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I never said Punk was a big time draw nor did I mean to imply I thought he was. I was saying that he had the potential to be last year. He sold shirts, he sold house show tickets throughout the summer. Even with the early return. However from there, I mentioned where it went wrong in my previous posts. If you want me to honestly rank him now? A talented star for others to word with who acts as a supporting guy. Not anywhere near that list. Could he have been on that list? Quite possibly if all the stars aligned he could have reached a tier near-ish Cena, but never capping him, that just wouldn't plain out happen. He just lacked/lacks the mainstream appeal that Cena has.
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Well right, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna sift through 629 pages.
629 pages of gold lol.

@Nearfall, my post wasn't directed at you btw. It was just a general comment.
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To be honest I don't see anyone approaching Cena's level for a really long time.

It's crazy to think that a few years ago we had a roster consisting of 7-8 full-time Cena's (HBK, HHH, Taker, Rock, Austin, Angle, etc).

Also, I'd still say Orton is a bigger draw atm than Punk (not saying much either way).
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It's crazy to think that the message still hasn't got through that they need more than 1 Cena to build a fucking show around.
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Yeah I've gave up on that message being delivered long ago.
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