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Old 09-08-2012, 05:01 AM   #5831 (permalink)
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Statistics in this case are irrelevant, you can't count muscle mass and body fat as the same thing for example, it's about the build and besides being an exceptional performer with rare presence and charisma, Shawn Michaels was a big guy in tremendous shape in his prime, bigger than HHH at that time. He's not in this discussion.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:55 AM   #5832 (permalink)
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Statistics in this case are irrelevant, you can't count muscle mass and body fat as the same thing for example, it's about the build and besides being an exceptional performer with rare presence and charisma, Shawn Michaels was a big guy in tremendous shape in his prime, bigger than HHH at that time. He's not in this discussion.
When a silly poster calls someone a midget (a 'reason' he can't draw) who's ironically taller than his favourite wrestler and still persists with such a ridiculous argument, then it's open season.

However, it's going too far off topic now. We've had our fun with him so that should be it.
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:58 AM   #5833 (permalink)
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Statistics in this case are irrelevant, you can't count muscle mass and body fat as the same thing for example, it's about the build and besides being an exceptional performer with rare presence and charisma, Shawn Michaels was a big guy in tremendous shape in his prime, bigger than HHH at that time. He's not in this discussion.
Shawn was never known as a "big guy" He's in great shape of course but at the end of the day was still a small guy in comparison to the typical pro wrestler. That is not a bad thing at all it's part of his legacy. When the question pops of of which wrestler paved the way for smaller guys to be world champion his name will come up 9 out of 10 times. Don't know why anyone would try to deny this to try and not put him in that category.
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Statistics in this case are irrelevant, you can't count muscle mass and body fat as the same thing for example, it's about the build and besides being an exceptional performer with rare presence and charisma, Shawn Michaels was a big guy in tremendous shape in his prime, bigger than HHH at that time. He's not in this discussion.
What the fuck are you talking about?

He was known to be the smallest WWE champion ever when he won it from Bret and still to this day is the fourth smallest WWE champion of all time next to Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio.

Your ignorance is mind-blowing.
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Old 09-08-2012, 08:30 AM   #5835 (permalink)
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Yes, he was at that time when guys like Diesel and Yokozuna were the champions before him, then Hogan/Warrior/Savage/Andre before that etc. I would say that at his physical prime he was the same or close to Bob Backlund. HBK/Eddie/Jericho were all much bigger than Punk BTW so they aren't smallest. My point was that people are looking at the Statistics, height, weight etc, when it's never accurate, especially in wrestling. It's all about the build of the guy. Like Nash explained here a few weeks ago:

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HBK wasn't that well conditioned though. He stood out there because everybody else was eating burgers and had water retention all over the place, so having 10% bodyfat with little water was impressive back then regardless of size. Throw him in with Orton, Ziggler and especially JoMo and he would look ugly as hell in comparision. Not to mention, HBK is 5'11, not 6'1 1/2, not even close.
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andre was 8 foot and hbk was 234 pounds, zack ryder is 214, that means he's a midget
Andre wasn't 8 feet.
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Yes, he was at that time when guys like Diesel and Yokozuna were the champions before him, then Hogan/Warrior/Savage/Andre before that etc. I would say that at his physical prime he was the same or close to Bob Backlund. HBK/Eddie/Jericho were all much bigger than Punk BTW so they aren't smallest. My point was that people are looking at the Statistics, height, weight etc, when it's never accurate, especially in wrestling. It's all about the build of the guy. Like Nash explained here a few weeks ago:


But whatever. Shawn's a big guy. Kevin (the worlds highest drawing champion) Nash said otherwise because he doesn't have any bias to his backward ass logic whatsoever.
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CM Punk is taller than Shawn Michaels. Shawn Michaels is more ripped than CM Punk.
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CM Punk has better fitness/bodybuilding genetics than HBK though, far better muscleshape, if he would lose 5% bodyfat, or especially 7% he would look great. He has over 15% bf and still doesn't look blocky despite beeing as big as he is, a rare feat.
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