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post #5791 of 9175 (permalink) Old 09-07-2012, 02:08 PM
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Someone named Daniel Bryan is already in that heel Santino midcard spot.
Eh.

I'd actually like to see Santino's heel work veer off into some darker territory. I'm not completely sure how to pull it off at this time, but it feels like it's becoming a greater necessity with each passing week.

If you look back at WWE circa mid-2000, Bryan's "spot," as it were, reminds me a great deal of Kurt Angle's more than anybody else's. Pre-Trips/Steph/Kurt love triangle angle, that is.

If Taker were fully active, Bryan would so be that guy right now who is stalked by him throughout an arena like Angle for that Fully Loaded angle. And the match would probably be similarly booked, too, but as with Kurt then, it really wouldn't hurt Bryan much/at all.

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these indys always struggle with ratings
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Hug dragged on for way too long



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The final anger management skit with Kane and Daniel Bryan arguing lost 310,000 viewers. Jinder Mahal vs. Ryback gained 243,000 viewers.
This doesnt make much sense since it was in the same quarter. Atleast in the online reports.

Im guessing the loss was Quarter 7. Which was Swagger/AJ backstage, 2 commercial breaks, Final Anger skit and most of the Ryback/Jinder match.
I then guess that the gain was in Quarter 8. Which was replays of the Ryback/Jinder match, commercial break, and start of the "Hug me" segment.
So from what I seen is that the start of the Hug me segment drew in eyes to begin with, but lost viewers when it started to drag.

I always dislike when they say "This and that gained/lost viewers" when the segment/match didnt even take up most of the quarters.
Sure, if it took up 10 minutes, but when a quarter has 2 commercials breaks and a 3 minute match. The match is not gonna draw just by looking at the quarter and unfair to blame the drop on that specific match.

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That's true. Just a few weeks ago Big Show vs Randy Orton at 9PM gained 480,000 viewers and there were some Punk marks who got on Orton's case because it was a "horrible" gain, lol.
Actually, that was Bryan marks if I'm not mistaken. Bryan had done very well the week prior doing 500,000 and 200,000 gains in Q5 and Q6 respectively. But people (and since someone likes pointing fingers we'll just blindly say some Orton marks) decided that was poor for some reason I can't remember. So when Orton/Show gained less, Bryan marks were on that as "revenge".

However, let me just remind everyone Orton/Del Rio from two weeks ago only gained 280,000 viewers. I'm not saying that was a bad number or a good number, I'm just saying it for the record.

Punk/Lawler fight and Punk/Sheamus promo opening as strong as it did, on Labor Day no less is an excellent number. Then even better Orton/Ziggler managed to gain on top of that. Tensai/Rhodes against The Mask Bros took it down a notch, but Punk/Sheamus tease and the Anger Management segment had the top number of the night which is great.

I'm surprised Sheamus/Swagger and Kaitlyn/Eve only lost 85,000. I would've expected more tbh. Of course more were lost during the Anger Management's final skit which sucks. It was very entertaining but I suppose either people got tired of it, or people tuned out after Eve/Kaitlyn and just didn't think to come back right away. Ryback gaining 243,000 viewers with Jinder Mahal... Ryback is a ratings machine. How many times in this day and age can one guy have a squash and people be so into it? Not to mention he was very very over with the crowd in Chicago. I don't think I'll ever understand it at least until I see Ryback in a semi-important feud.

Kane/Bryan losing viewers in 10PM is not good, but... maybe it was due to the gain in Q8 with Ryback? Here's the thing with that excuse, from what I can see, all Q8's since Raw 1000 have actually gained viewers. Last week with Bryan/Truth gained 232,000. Two weeks ago with Otunga/Show gained 86,000. Three weeks ago even a Divas Tag drew 45,000 viewers. But the thing with all those dates is the 10PM slot always gained. Granted a segment or two in 10PM was Lesnar/Heyman/HHH/HBK related, but still... that excuse can't be used for the 10PM slot. I think ultimately when people saw they were just going to "Hug it out", they tuned it out. I personally found the crowd and the segment as a whole ridiculously hilarious, but I guess others didn't. Oh well.

So Marella/Cesaro was what overall brought down the last hour. Can't say I'm surprised. I'm not even sure the feud has gotten any TV time, as DesoRow pointed Santino's character is stale and done with and Cesaro is no draw. Believe it or not I'm actually surprised it wasn't even lower than that, but what can you do?

AJ/Vickie gaining the viewers again. And Cena/Del Rio (with Punk/Heyman at the end) did a good gain, but a terrible overall number.

So yeah, it was Labor Day so let's see what happens next week. The show opened strong, but ended weak. The second hour though as usual did the biggest number.

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This doesnt make much sense since it was in the same quarter. Atleast in the online reports.

Im guessing the loss was Quarter 7. Which was Swagger/AJ backstage, 2 commercial breaks, Final Anger skit and most of the Ryback/Jinder match.
I then guess that the gain was in Quarter 8. Which was replays of the Ryback/Jinder match, commercial break, and start of the "Hug me" segment.
So from what I seen is that the start of the Hug me segment drew in eyes to begin with, but lost viewers when it started to drag.

I always dislike when they say "This and that gained/lost viewers" when the segment/match didnt even take up most of the quarters.
Sure, if it took up 10 minutes, but when a quarter has 2 commercials breaks and a 3 minute match. The match is not gonna draw just by looking at the quarter and unfair to blame the drop on that specific match.
I agree, and hate that the breakdown is written as is. Can't they just do something like:

Q1: (Put number of viewers, rating, and what was in the segment)
Q2: (Put number of viewers, ratings, gain/loss, and what was in the segment)
(etc. etc)

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The matter of segment breakdowns is just the final piece of evidence in the argument that Santino Marella is in desperate need of a heel turn. His comedic babyface character has run almost completely out of steam, and this current storyline with "The Cobra," while cute at first, is becoming more grating and less amusing as it goes along. They got 3-1/2 years out of this face run, and for the most part it's been fun/enjoyable for what it is but the character has lost a great deal of luster. When he comes out now, it feels like crowds and apparenatly viewers react with a nominal, "Oh, Santino," reaction these days. Ironic how the United States Championship reign, which should have been a promotion, feels like the period of time in which he grew staler and staler, as well as more superfluous to the product at large.

He needs a somewhat inventive heel turn, with a fresh character modification, like R-Truth in the spring of 2011.
True and also Zack Ryder. Zack Ryder match along with the Santino match lead to the 3rd hour falling apart. I bet the Zack Ryder match dropped more viewers than the Santino match.


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Actually, that was Bryan marks if I'm not mistaken. Bryan had done very well the week prior doing 500,000 and 200,000 gains in Q5 and Q6 respectively. But people (and since someone likes pointing fingers we'll just blindly say some Orton marks) decided that was poor for some reason I can't remember. So when Orton/Show gained less, Bryan marks were on that as "revenge".
No, it was some Punk marks that said it. (or maybe just one) Although I'm aware some Bryan marks were jizzing all over their keyboards when his match with Sheamus gained 520k the week before that at the 9PM spot. Below is one post that I caught where Orton's "terrible" gain is called out.

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Orton/Show and Cena/Bryan failed big time. 480k is terrible for the 9 PM, and obviously that's a shit overrun.
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Each quarter lasts 15 minutes including commercial breaks right?


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No, it was some Punk marks that said it. (or maybe just one) Although I'm aware some Bryan marks were jizzing all over their keyboards when his match with Sheamus gained 520k the week before that at the 9PM spot. Below is one post that I caught where Orton's "terrible" gain is called out.
Ever think maybe he's a Bryan mark as well? I'm not saying I know, as I don't. However I've always taken Wrestlinfan's posts as "counter-attacks" to what others would say if Punk was the one that had those gains and just trolls the Punk haters. Whether Wrestlinfan believes what he types or not... I don't know.

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I don't see what the big deal with this weeks D Bryan/Kane segments is, he and Kane drew in the first segment, got a below average, but still slight ratings increase for their 2nd segment and got a decline for their third, hardly a big deal or a negative ratings average compared to most of the roster, especially if you take into account Bryans recent numbers. The majority probably just thought the hug it out thing would be corny and boring so they tuned out, which isn't necessarily Kanes or Bryans fault either.
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