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Old 08-29-2012, 09:25 PM   #5631 (permalink)
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Cena/Tensai was not the overrun. It was Q8.
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:30 PM   #5632 (permalink)
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From the quote earlier, that was in April about the gains and overall audience:


The point of that is when people pretending that X person drew Y number of people for the segment when in fact, he had nothing to do with it because the audience was there before his segment and a bigger X would have done a bigger number than he did in Z time slot. There are people who bring the overall up and there's people who are just "there" taking a TV spot in that specific show. Which is why you can't call a 148k gain in the top of the hour a huge success for the people in it even if it did a 5.0.

Anyway, in the peak years, the pattern was always a huge gain in the second quarter, a complete opposite from the pattern that started in mid-late 2010 that this spot is mostly a killer.
But at the same time, people would've tuned out if they didn't want to see the following segment, and people wouldn't of watched. If people kept watching for Blue Meanie, then by all means give Blue Meanie credit for keeping the interest. If he's with Austin, at least he wasn't an anti-draw.

I get your point, but it's just as flawed as basing things based off of the overall number. Raw 1,000 proves this. There was no massive gains besides the 9pm from what I remember, but even the lowest quarter hour can be considered a success to some degree as they kept more than the average number of people watching (average compared to an ordinary Raw, not Raw 1,000).

Of course if a segment loses 800,000 viewers, even if the overall rating was still high it could be considered a success or failure depending on how you look at it. There are so many different variables to consider when saying a segment is a success or not. Punk/Henry gained, and KEPT the viewers from the previous segment. That's why it's a success. Had it lost 800,000 viewers, it wouldn't have had that high of a rating.

But it's all just a giant mind fuck. You have to consider everything and every reason the viewers might've tuned in. Even Punk on commentary for the Show/Cena main event, which I know you would never do. I mentioned this but Punk's presence surely added to the match. Do I think Cena/Show would've been a success without Punk? Absolutely I do. Do I think Punk added to the success? Yes I do, and I most certainly don't think he deterred on it. It wasn't like he was just sitting on a chair at ringside. He was doing commentary, and some people may have found that a reason to watch the match.

But yeah... a whole lot of stuff to consider. I'm not saying your view is wrong, just that it's flawed (and I'm not saying mine isn't flawed), but it all just goes in a circle.
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Ah okay, I thought you were talking about the Cena/Tensai match that main evented. This was the one with the Cole angle. It's an impressive gain, but the rating/viewership was low. So nothing that impressive about it, really. The overrun with Cole gained another 200k and only did a 3.1. Punk/Show had an impressive gain as well as an impressive viewership in Q8.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:27 PM   #5634 (permalink)
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Ryback's first time losing viewers, right? Who cares, he's still awesome and that wasn't too many. Just have him keep calling out more guys and get like 3 wins a night. See how that does.

Lawler vs. Punk did well, Punk cut a nice promo to build it at the beginning.

I'm at a loss for why Orton/Sheamus/Del Rio/Ziggler lost. Seems like that would get 250k.

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Please, let's leave the blind Bryan fandom out of this thread. I'd prefer not to vomit.
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Surprised to see Lawler/Punk doing below average gain with a cage match. I would expect a much bigger gain from a hyped stipulation Jerry Lawler match in the main event. But Punk even last week with Cena, did a below average gain so I guess that's as far as you can go with him in a major role in the segment. Not close to what Lawler did with Miz IIRC.

HHH doing the biggest is expected, it was by far the biggest attraction on the show with the most hype which is why the random tag lost that much after that. I imagine that the HHH promo also helped the match before because his segment started minutes before the top of the hour.
This is what I was wondering when I saw this breakdown. I checked the segment time and as KO bossy as already noted in this thread earlier, HHH segment started at 9:50. Since Meltzer takes the entire quarter as a whole, he has credited the gain to Bryan/Truth match which was only 6 mins. The gain was actually two quarters back to back. Not that I'm complaining about it or anything since thats how it has always been reported by newsletters. Just pointing it out.

Anyways, Not a bad rating for 3 hours RAW but its gonna get worse, really worse in two weeks because of the lack of starpower on the show. Punk fans better be prepared for this lol.
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Jesus Meltzer said on his radio that the Orton/Seamus vs Del Rio/ Ziggler match was designed to keep viewers watching because it has Orton and Sheamus in it.

Yeah. it somewhat failed then.
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I absolutely hate how websites (presuming Wrestling Observer in the first place) dump different quarters together to create a gain/loss and to spin it.

What's the point of that? It's happened twice in this week's quarter hours.
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Orton comes back hot and gains viewers every week. Then taps to ADR, and the monday after, he loses viewers. Not hard to figure out what happened there.
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