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post #5611 of 9175 (permalink) Old 08-29-2012, 07:19 PM
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No actually Jericho+Cena promo gained over 800,000 viewers few weeks before RAW 1000.
"On average"... there will always be exceptions, for higher and lower.

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True but it was also Wrestlemania season. Not the same thing.
But even then, consistently on a weekly basis, those were the only consistent gains of that magnitude in the last year for the 10pm time slot.

At the end of the day, it's about the number of viewers watching. I don't remember if the Punk/Jericho segment or Punk/Henry were top segments of their respective nights (Punk/Henry I doubt was since that was Brock's return), but the fact is they didn't have great gains but had a high rating. That's why I stopped caring about gains. Much like on Raw 1,000. An overrun featuring Rock, Punk, and Cena only gained 300,000 something viewers, but it was the biggest number of the night and the only reason it didn't gain more was because the majority of people kept watching and only some tuned out and they kept coming back for the final hour.

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Nope. Its not the same, three hour RAW is a permanent thing now. The RAW show you're talking about was a one night deal. This is why I specifically noted in my post..

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So its pretty clear since three hours became a permanent thing, the extra hour is hurting the 10 pm gain as Dave Meltzer has noted in the breakdown.
I never said punk/jericho did "weak" btw, you did.
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I never said it drew weak, I said people called it a weak gain and didn't give it any credit. It's just a bit biased is all. I see Rock316 praising the Triple H number this week but:

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The horrendous Jericho/Punk feud doing their usual weak, below average top of the hour gain
I agree with Obis, here. Gains are important, yeah, but to disregard the rating and number of viewers and just look at the gain is silly. The number of viewers is most important.






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So Triple H gaining 200k to a 3.5 is a huge success. But when Punk/Jericho gained 200k to a 3.6, it was a below average gain that meant nothing. Oh well, I'm done trying to understand whoever comes up with these breakdown details and take them as I please.

Punk/Lawler did good for what it was. I expected it to bomb since, well, it really speaks for itself. But the opening promo from Punk built it up really well so I'm not too surprised. Sheamus and Orton in a tag team match losing 500k is ouch. Other than that not too much to discuss.
That was a RTW rating where Rock gained like 4.0 that night. 3.6 gain was a below the average gain that time.
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Praising? I'm not praising it in any way. I didn't even like the segment. All I said that it was peak of the show as expected and got the most hype.

Oh and that Jericho/Punk program was horrendous. Jericho did his best work when he came back from the Brazil suspension. That's when I truly enjoyed his work again.

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Triple H did the largest gain...not surprised.

Still funny how when Punk gains, people still refuse to acknowledge it and say "it should have done better" as Wrestlingfan35 pointed out.



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That was a RTW rating where Rock gained like 4.0 that night. 3.6 gain was a below the average gain that time.
Rock did nothing near 4.0 on the RTWM. This was in late April where the Lesnar/Cena contract signing did the highest of the night. Rock/Cena failed to bring in any good ratings on the RTWM. That was all Triple H, Shawn Michaels and Undertaker.

@Rock316 fair enough, you're not praising. But you were certainly a lot more negative towards the Punk/Jericho number. It just screams bias but hey, that's almost everybody in this thread. Like I said before, Mark wars~

Edit: I'll agree with you saying that program was horrendous lol. I enjoyed that segment but I didn't enjoy what Punk/Jericho was bar the matches. But apparently shitty TV is in these days. See: AJ/Bryan/Punk and Cena/Ace.






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Nothing too out of the ordinary. The issue at hand is debating just how amazing Crash Holly was. LMFAO at his program with the British Bulldog at Insurrextion.
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Just for the record, and to stir the pot, these are the last 10 Raws (besides Memorial day since I couldn't find it... though I'm sure it's somewhere in this thread, I used google to get these) breakdowns before Raw 1000.

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Raw 7/16/12 breakdown:
As reported before, In the segment breakdown, Titus O'Neil and Darren Young vs. Kofi Kingston and R-Truth lost 384,000 viewers from the opening segment. AJ Lee and Daniel Bryan's backstage segment plus Zack Ryder vs. Alberto Del Rio with Rey Mysterio's return gained 252,000 viewers. Rikishi's return vs. Heath Slater gained another 169,000 viewers.

Eve Torres and The Miz vs. AJ and Bryan plus the wedding angle gained 282,000 viewers. The big surprise of the show was the Ryback vs. Jack Swagger angle with the confrontation between Chris Jericho and Dolph Ziggler. These lost 20,000 viewers in a spot in the show where RAW usually loses several hundred thousand viewers.

Brodus Clay vs. JTG lost 491,000 viewers, which indicates that fans stayed for the Ryback match and the Jericho-Ziggler segment but tuned out as soon as the next segment began. The main event with CM Punk vs. Big Show and John Cena teasing a Money in the Bank cash in gained 719,000 viewers for a 3.99 quarter rating.



Raw 7/9/12 breakdown:
As reported before, the July 9th WWE RAW Supershow scored a 3.17 cable rating with 4.42 million viewers.
In the segment breakdown, the opener with AJ Lee, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan with Sheamus vs. Jack Swagger lost 74,000 viewers. Christian and Tyson Kidd vs. Tensai and Dolph Ziggler plus the Michael Cole vs. Jerry Lawler angle lost 416,000 viewers. Brodus Clay vs. Drew McIntyre plus the Stephanie McMahon video promoting the 1,000th RAW gained 102,000 viewers.
Kane and John Cena vs. Chris Jericho and Big Show gained 66,000 viewers, a low gain for that time period in the show. The match did about a gain of 280,000 at 10pm, which is lower than usual, but then lost those viewers when the match went longer and through a second commercial break.
Sin Cara vs. Heath Slater and the return of Bob Backlund lost 21,000 viewers. Lawler vs. Cole and the reveal of Hornswoggle as the Anonymous General Manager lost another 21,000 viewers.
It appears AJ's tease from earlier that she would be leaving with her future husband did the trick as far as the rating goes. The overrun following AJ and Punk vs. Daniel Bryan and Eve Torres gained 711,000 viewers - which is normal but it should be noted that this was done without John Cena in the segment and with CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, who have never moved ratings big.
There was a huge increase in Male Teens watching the overrun that wasn't there for the rest of the show. Male Teens hovered between a 2.7 and 3.2 rating for the entire show but jumped up to a 4.4 rating for the overrun.


Raw 7/2/12 breakdown:
In the segment breakdown, David Otunga, Cody Rhodes, Titus O’Neil and Darren Young vs. Santino Marella, R-Truth, Kofi Kingston and Christian lost 467,000 viewers from the opener. The big surprise of the show was Alberto Del Rio’s beatdown on Sin Cara, which gained 584,000 viewers – a 14% growth among teenage boys and 23% among Men 18-49.
The Paul Heyman interview and first part of Sheamus and AJ Lee vs. Vickie Guerrero and Dolph Ziggler lost 383,000 viewers. The match itself plus Heath Slater vs. Doink the Clown gained 234,000 viewers – a weak number for the 10pm timeslot. Diamond Dallas Page laying out Heath Slater and Kane vs. Big Show in a No DQ Match lost 69,000 viewers, which is very good for that time period of the show. So far out of the recent Legend returns, Vader’s return has done the best by far.
Tensai vs. Tyson Kidd lost 307,000 viewers while the main event with John Cena and CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan and CM Punk gained 684,000 viewers and peaked with a 3.47 rating for the overrun.


Raw 6/25/12 breakdown:
As noted before, the June 25th WWE RAW Supershow scored a 3.29 cable rating with 4.72 million viewers.
In the segment breakdown, CM Punk vs. Kane vs. Daniel Bryan lost just 30,000 viewers from the opener. Big Show vs. Brodus Clay gained 50,000 viewers while Santino Marella vs. Jack Swagger lost 167,000 viewers. John Cena's interview and the return of Chris Jericho gained 803,000 viewers for a 3.69 quarter rating - up from the usual 10pm growth this year.
Psycho Sid's return didn't see the same success that Vader's did as Sid's win over Heath Slater lost 607,000 viewers. Dolph Ziggler vs. Alberto Del Rio in the #1 contender's match gained 202,000 viewers while the Divas Bikini Battle Royal lost 238,000 viewers. The main event with Chris Jericho vs. John Cena gained 567,000 viewers for a 3.57 overrun rating.


Raw 6/18/12 breakdown:

As noted before, the June 18th WWE RAW Supershow scored a 3.40 cable rating with 4.97 million viewers. This is the best rating RAW has done since the day after WrestleMania 27. In the segment breakdown, CM Punk and Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan and Kane lost 241,000 viewers from the opener that started strong. Dolph Ziggler vs. Jack Swagger lost 22,000 more viewers. The segment with Paul Heyman and Triple H gained 559,000 more viewers for a show-high 3.74 quarter rating. Santino Marella vs. Alberto Del Rio lost 711,000 viewers. The segment with Heath Slater, Wendi Richter, Cyndi Lauper and Roddy Piper lost 12,000 more viewers. John Cena vs. David Otunga and John Laurinaitis in the main event gained 573,000 viewers to a 3.74 quarter rating.

Raw 6/11/12 breakdown:

As noted before, the June 11th WWE RAW Supershow did a 3.23 cable rating with 4.65 million viewers over three-hours. The usual two hours did a 3.46 rating with 4.99 million viewers.
The show opened with Vince McMahon returning at a 2.88 rating, well above the usual start of a three-hour RAW. Tensai vs. Sheamus lost 415,000 viewers while Tensai attacking Sakomoto, Big Show knocking out R-Truth and Vince’s segment with Teddy Long and John Laurinaitis gained 146,000 viewers.
Santino Marella and Layla vs. Beth Phoenix and Ricardo Rodriguez and the backstage segment with Vince and Daniel Bryan gained 98,000 viewers. Bryan’s segment with CM Punk, Kane and AJ Lee gained 978,000 viewers for the 9pm time slot, RAW’s usual start time.
The Christian vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. The Great Khali vs. Jack Swagger match and Ryback’s squash gained 4,000 viewers. The backstage segment with Vince and Hornswoggle making fun of Jim Ross lost 145,000 viewers. Big Show vs. Kofi Kingston in the cage match at 10pm gained 320,000 viewers for a 3.59 quarter rating.
Curt Hawkins vs. Sin Cara lost 450,000 viewers while Vader vs. Heath Slater gained 324,000 more viewers, an impressive gain for that time in the show. The main event with AJ and Punk vs. Bryan and Kane lost 19,000 viewers. The final segment with Vince, Laurinaitis, John Cena and Big Show gained 721,000 viewers for a 3.99 quarter rating in the overrun.


Raw 6/4/12 breakdown:
--RAW open to a strong 3.27 quarter
--Michael Cole begging John Laurinaitis not to put him in a match with John Cena and the beginning of Sheamus vs, Dolph Ziggler lost 753,000 viewers. YIKES.
--Finish of Sheamus-Ziggler and Alberto Del Rio and Ricardo Rodriguez attacking Sheamus post-match, along with Sin Cars vs. Hunico gained 302,000 viewers.
--Ryback's RAW debut and demolition of two jobbers lost 298,000 viewers.
--CM Punk vs. Kane gained 340,000 viewers in the 10pm hour. First half did a 2.93 and finish did a 3.02 rating, which is higher than what Punk has recently done.
--WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and R-Truth vs. Tyler Reks and Curt Hawkins lost 646,000 viewers.
--John Cena vs. (no longer Lord) Tensai gained 514,000 viewers in the 10:45pm quarter. Quite a bit for that time.
--Cena vs. Cole gained 299,000 viewers for a 3.14 quarter for the overrun.

(can't find 5/28)

Raw 5/21/12 breakdown:
As noted before, the May 21st WWE RAW Supershow scored a 3.03 cable rating with 4.16 million viewers.
In the segment breakdown, the John Cena and John Laurinaitis opener did well with a 3.40 quarter rating. Big Show's explanation and Cena vs. David Otunga lost 139,000 viewers. Santino Marella's angle with Ricardo Rodriguez lost 521,000 viewers and Alberto Del Rio vs. Randy Orton lost 252,000 more. Kane vs. Daniel Bryan gained 390,000 viewers for a 3.01 quarter rating. This isn't a great number for that timeslot but a good showing for a segment with CM Punk and Bryan.
Jinder Mahal vs. Christian lost 259,000 viewers while Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix gained 44,000 viewers. John Cena and Sheamus vs. Tensai, Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler in the Lumberjack Match gained 878,000 viewers for a 3.49 quarter rating in the overrun. The main event ratings went from a 2.3 to 2.5 in Male Teens, 2.4 to 3.1 in Males 18-49 but didn't show any real gains among females.


Raw 5/14/12 breakdown:

As noted before, the May 14th WWE RAW Supershow did a 2.95 cable rating with 4.22 million viewers. The show did a 1.9 in male teenagers, which could be an all-time low in that demographic – down 24% from the previous week. In the segment breakdown, the opener with Paul Heyman and Triple H started strong with a 3.32 quarter rating. CM Punk and Santino Marella vs. Cody Rhodes and Daniel Bryan plus the Beth Phoenix vs. Alicia Fox match lost 601,000 viewers. John Cena’s Make-A-Wish segment lost 370,000 viewers and did the lowest rated quarter in months with a 2.64 rating. Kane vs. Big Show and John Laurinaitis firing Show gained 1,033,000 viewers for a 3.37 quarter rating. This was one of the best 10pm gains of the year for RAW. Brodus Clay, R-Truth and Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger lost 996,000 viewers. Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho gained 108,000 viewers and the closing segment with Cena and Laurinaitis gained 990,000 viewers for a 3.43 overrun ...

Raw 5/7/12 breakdown:
As noted before, the May 7th WWE RAW Supershow from Greensboro, North Carolina scored a 3.01 cable rating with 4.30 million viewers. The first quarter-rating was a 3.50 but things fell apart from there. In the segment breakdown, Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes lost 378,000 viewers and Kofi Kingstonvs. Dolph Ziggler lost 465,000 more viewers. Kelly Kelly and Layla vs. Maxine and Natalya lost another 207,000 viewers. Sheamus and Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho and Alberto Del Rio at the top of the hour gained 191,000 viewers, which is weak for that timeslot – doing a 2.89 quarter-rating. The Miz vs. Brodus Clay gained 55,000 viewers in what is usually a losing segment. Paul Heyman’s return gained 123,000 viewers. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan and Lord Tensai in the overrun actually lost viewers – 105,000 for a 2.94 rating.
So the 10PM gains before Raw moved to 3 hours were as follows:

7/16: 282,000
7/9: 66,000/280,000
7/2: 234,000
6/25: 803,000
6/18: 559,000
6/11: 320,000
6/4: 340,000
5/21: 390,000
5/14: 1,033,000
5/7: 191,000

Now I don't know the numbers for each of those slots, just the gains (if someone wants to fill in on that, go ahead). Only 3 of those 10 did more than a 400,000 gain. The 1,000,000 gain was John Laurinaitis firing Big Show. The 500,000 gain was for a Heyman/HHH segment, and the 800,000 gain was for Cena/Jericho.

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The highest point of the night was the Triple H retirement stuff which is expected as he is still a massive draw with casuals. Then the second highest point was the Miz vs John Cena match at the beginning of the 2nd hour. The third highest point was the CM Punk vs Jerry Lawler main event. last week the Punk, Cena and Lawler stuff was the highest point of RAW in the overrun.

The lowest point of RAW was Zack Ryder vs David Otunga match in the third hour, the second lowest was Vickie and AJ stuff but RAW is usually gaining viewers in the 1st hour so its normal for it to start gaining slowly. The third lowest was surprisingly the Sheamus and Randy Orton tag team match against Ziggler and Alberto Del Rio in the third hour.

Edit: The Ryback/Swagger match and Natalya vs Layla would be the lowest point of RAW in the first hour, then Zack Ryder vs Otunga in the third hour would be the second lowest and then third lowest the AJ segment in the 1st hour.


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