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Old 08-26-2012, 02:29 PM   #5521 (permalink)
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You should stick around. MNF has started again. Punk's going to need you if he keeps the title heading into the fall lol.
The problem with that is that I'll probably be watching MNF.
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:29 PM   #5522 (permalink)
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And at the same time, I could say the people that hate/dislike/find Punk overrated are the ones who jump into this thread head first to hurl any insult they can about Punk being in the position he's in.
I don't deny that either. There are some trolls that join just to talk about how much of a non-drawing vanilla midget Punk is but they shouldn't set the example for the kind of discussion that goes around in this thread when it's usually perfectly fine and civilized talk about ratings of the latest episode or the history of it in general. But equally annoying as the "anti-Punk" trolls are the WWE/Punk apologists that come in here and say "Ratings are irrelevant, why is there even a discussion thread for it? You should be concerned about enjoying the product!" or the horribly overdone "Why do people here base their favorite wrestler on who draws the most?" which couldn't be further from the truth.

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Once again, why do you have to be a TV Executive to talk about ratings? Some people enjoy watching Tyson Kidd matches. Others enjoy discussing and analyzing the ratings every week. How that makes either person less of a fan or a wannabe TV Executive, I'll never know. You can't complain about being generalized and then go and do the exact same thing you're accusing others of doing.

EDIT - And on the whole Punk marks thing. Some, not all, but some Punk marks don't want to know about ratings and are constantly saying that they don't matter. Then if/when Punk's segment does well they are the first people here to boast and throw a party about it. That screams hypocrisy to me. Those same marks are also the same people crucifying the likes of Orton for something they're willing to give their favorite guy, CM Punk, a free pass for. Again, hypocrisy. Bottom line is this, if you don't like to discuss ratings and don't think they're relevant, DONT COME INTO THE RATINGS DISCUSSION THREAD. It's as simple as that.
And that's exactly what I mean, I was just misunderstood because some people felt targeted by my mention of 'Punk marks' when the word 'all' was nowhere to be found, meaning not every Punk fan was on the discussion. And Brye, if you're never in this thread, I don't know why you felt offended by my comment. I was mainly talking about people like the guy with the DDP avatar that start crying in here every time someone makes a post targeting Punk's (lack of) drawing ability. When I first joined, I was a Punk fan so therefore, the ratings discussions didn't suit me and for that reason, I stayed away from threads regarding ratings. I'm not a fan anymore but his rating abilities is certainly not my reason for that but I find it a lot more enjoyable to discuss this topic when I don't have a favorite who's the top heel of the thread. With that said, sorry for any misunderstandings.
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:34 PM   #5523 (permalink)
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And that's exactly what I mean, I was just misunderstood because some people felt targeted by my mention of 'Punk marks' when the word 'all' was nowhere to be found, meaning not every Punk fan was on the discussion. .
Well... I'll be damned. And I made a whole last paragraph edit in response to him thinking he was saying all Punk marks were like that. My mistake.

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Old 08-26-2012, 02:35 PM   #5524 (permalink)
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I don't deny that either. There are some trolls that join just to talk about how much of a non-drawing vanilla midget Punk is but they shouldn't set the example for the kind of discussion that goes around in this thread when it's usually perfectly fine and civilized talk about ratings of the latest episode or the history of it in general. But equally annoying as the "anti-Punk" trolls are the WWE/Punk apologists that come in here and say "Ratings are irrelevant, why is there even a discussion thread for it? You should be concerned about enjoying the product!" or the horribly overdone "Why do people here base their favorite wrestler on who draws the most?" which couldn't be further from the truth.



And that's exactly what I mean, I was just misunderstood because some people felt targeted by my mention of 'Punk marks' when the word 'all' was nowhere to be found, meaning not every Punk fan was on the discussion. And Brye, if you're never in this thread, I don't know why you felt offended by my comment. I was mainly talking about people like the guy with the DDP avatar that start crying in here every time someone makes a post targeting Punk's (lack of) drawing ability. When I first joined, I was a Punk fan so therefore, the ratings discussions didn't suit me and for that reason, I stayed away from threads regarding ratings. I'm not a fan anymore but his rating abilities is certainly not my reason for that but I find it a lot more enjoyable to discuss this topic when I don't have a favorite who's the top heel of the thread. With that said, sorry for any misunderstandings.
Fair enough. I understand that. I took it as a potential shot as me because of my views on ratings.
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Personally I love reading Brye's posts on ratings. Even in the old weekly ratings threads before this official so I hope he stays.

Tyson Kidd vs Khali drawing a 7.0 would be great. Seriously Brye, what would be your first reaction, saying how huge Kidd is today, or saying that the quality of the match wasn't what you want to see from him?
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Personally I love reading Brye's posts on ratings. Even in the old weekly ratings threads before this official so I hope he stays.

Tyson Kidd vs Khali drawing a 7.0 would be great. Seriously Brye, what would be your first reaction, saying how huge Kidd is today, or saying that the quality of the match wasn't what you want to see from him?
I sense some sarcasm.

In that situation, I'd probably go with the former. Mainly since I don't think he's ever done much himself so it'd be nice to see and would hopefully lead to something bigger out of him. But if it meant that his matches were going to drastically suffer, I'm not sure how I'd feel.

That's a situation where I might actually be a bit interested in the rating if it was good. But at the same time I hate when they push/de-push someone after one week's ratings.
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I sense some sarcasm.

In that situation, I'd probably go with the former. Mainly since I don't think he's ever done much himself so it'd be nice to see and would hopefully lead to something bigger out of him. But if it meant that his matches were going to drastically suffer, I'm not sure how I'd feel.
Not at all, I honestly mean it. I just gave unrealistic number because that would mean he gets a push no matter what. Just wanted to know if you want to see him as a main star even if it means that you're not going to like his matches the same way you did on Superstars for example. Personally I don't think I saw more than 10 matches from him and they were probably when he was in the new Hart Foundation tag team. I remember him against DX on SD one time.
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Not at all, I honestly mean it. I just gave unrealistic number because that would mean he gets a push no matter what. Just wanted to know if you want to see him as a main star even if it means that you're not going to like his matches the same way you did on Superstars for example. Personally I don't think I saw more than 10 matches from him and they were probably when he was in the new Hart Foundation tag team. I remember him against DX on SD one time.
Fair enough. In all honestly I think I'd like to see him most in a midcard role where he can have some exposure but still have a wide selection of people to face.

Really thought Hart Dynasty was going to take off. They had really great chemistry together. That match with DX was pretty fun and they had a good PPV match with Miz/Jericho from OTL '10.

And they had Bret backing them, which I thought helped quite a bit.
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Brye: He'll Mark for Tyson Kidd Unless He Becomes Too Big of a Star, Which Could Theoretically Damage the Workrate of His Matches

If Kidd's reading this somewhere, Brye, he's muttering, "Wow, my fans are really great... thanks a lot, assholes."

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The problem with that is that I'll probably be watching MNF.
Wait a second. Are you saying that.....the ratings themselves.....they don't draw?
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