[Warrior]

The overrun was still the highest segment of viewership of the night as expected. The Orton vs Alberto Del Rio match was in second place and then the Kane/Ryder vs Miz/Daniel Bryan match in third place. I like Ryback so his segments doing good is nice. Viewers just like to see a tank plow through people lol.

[Pro Royka]

Originally Posted by Loader230

This. Overrun with Cena does great numbers. Marks need to face the facts, casuals just dont care about Punk. He is not a star and never will be. He lacks "it". He is overrated, over-pushed piece of shit. Its about time Cena took the title off him.

On a side note, Was Hogan vs Vince mcmahon match really the top draw of Wrestlemania XIX? I always thought it was Kurt angle vs Lesnar because the RAW go home show of mania ppv ended with Brock lesnar and Kurt Angle recap video package and they even main evented the ppv.

I actually can't wait for Cena to become a champion so I can see the amazing ratings that you talk about, because I don't care how boring and stale he's all I care about is ratings. Punk sucks he should focus on ratings and how he can bring them in and also by sucking up to the fans and tell them how awesome they're. Punk should quit WWE and let Cena mainevent all the PPV and beat up all the young talents and get another long title reign.
Punk has no talents because he can't draw screw that skinny piece of shit pussy.

Being a troll is awesome.

[Tnmore]

This breakdown proves my post earlier in this thread. Punk is a ratings killer like John Morrison. Cena would have gained big alone.

[murder]

Originally Posted by Loader230

On a side note, Was Hogan vs Vince mcmahon match really the top draw of Wrestlemania XIX? I always thought it was Kurt angle vs Lesnar because the RAW go home show of mania ppv ended with Brock lesnar and Kurt Angle recap video package and they even main evented the ppv.

No it wasn't. Austin/Rock was the real main event, the two biggest draws in history.

And please don't take those "Best Box Office draws" lists from Meltzer serious. As much as I respect his opinion, those lists are pointless. He simply adds all attendance numbers, which means the guy with the most show sold most tickets. That is saying absolutely nothing about drawing ability.

Like Yved said, Lesnar, out of all the main eventers, wrestled the most house shows by far in 2003 since Goldberg, HBK and Taker didn't work fulltime and HHH was injured for a few months. So, obvioulsy he leads this list. Doesn't prove he was the biggest draw.

Now I'm not saying he wasn't the biggest draw at that time. But even if he was, that's pretty worthless considering WWE was at its lowest in 2003 since 1997.

[Pro Royka]

Originally Posted by Tnmore

This breakdown proves my post earlier in this thread. Punk is a ratings killer like John Morrison. Cena would have gained big alone.

If Punk loses +800 viewers I will tell you myself that he's a rating killer, since that didn't happen I can't see your argument to be true. I said it before if he faces some known stars casual will recognise him and they may like him or they will not. If he faces Taker in WM, make Cena tape out, faces Rocky and Austin I think casual will like him if he was impressive, if he wasn't well its his problem he blowed it.

[Cactus]

Originally Posted by TeamRocketGrunt

He was carrying the entire wwf on his back, and he was also competing with the nwo, no 1 man can compete with that, without hbk wwf would have died back in 1996

If that is so true, how comes the WWF started to fight back against WCW AFTER he retired? He was a prick backstage and kept everyone else back. Vader, a know draw in WCW and Japan, was a failure in WWF due to HBK's bullshit. Who knows who else he could of kept back?

[Fanboi101]

Originally Posted by Pro Royka

I actually can't wait for Cena to become a champion so I can see the amazing ratings that you talk about, because I don't care how boring and stale he's all I care about is ratings. Punk sucks he should focus on ratings and how he can bring them in and also by sucking up to the fans and tell them how awesome they're. Punk should quit WWE and let Cena mainevent all the PPV and beat up all the young talents and get another long title reign.
Punk has no talents because he can't draw screw that skinny piece of shit pussy.

This. Punk can't draw.

[Jobberwacky]

Originally Posted by Fanboi101

This. Punk can't draw.

That. Sarcasm can't draw.

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

Hogan/Vince was by far the most promoted. In the week before the show, the main event slot changed every day between Rock/Austin, Angle/Lesnar and Hogan/Vince. In a Roundtable a year ago, JR said that Rock/Austin was supposed to close the show but with Austin's condition the night before, they thought it will be safer to deliver in the main event with Lesnar and Angle, crazy weekend with all the drama.

As for biggest in promotion:

1. Hogan/Vince
2. Rock/Austin
3. Angle/Lesnar - for this match, everybody knew that we're getting Angle vs Lesnar in the main event of WM19 from August of 2002, that was THE match for the background of the athletes alone. Combined with all the talk about their real mat wrestling contest in 2001(which Angle won BTW)and Angle's ON/OFF status for the match, they had a lot of hype.
4. HBK/Y2J above Booker/HHH because they started this with a teaser in December 2002, a great 4 months program while Booker just got his match on a battle royal after NWO(+ the stupid race angle they did with HHH).

This is Top 3 PPV of all time IMO, WM17, WM19 and Summerslam 2002.

The Lesnar/Angle build-up was rather badly done so I can see why it wouldn't have drawn as well as it should have. On SD, they had them in tag matches or Lesnar vs Team Angle every week and then teased a title match for no good reason even though it was going to happen at WM anyways. They centered SD three weeks before WM around Angle/Lesnar as main event and in the end, ripped off the fans by having Angle's "brother" hide his face there and be used to lure Lesnar. Such a pointless thing to do. But yeah, as 2003 went further on, Brock clearly became a much bigger deal and had 'star' written all over him once he turned heel again. It's too bad he left so soon, what sucks is he did it because he was tired of traveling all over the world only to wrestle the likes of Hardcore Holly.

[Rock316AE]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

The Lesnar/Angle build-up was rather badly done so I can see why it wouldn't have drawn as well as it should have. On SD, they had them in tag matches or Lesnar vs Team Angle every week and then teased a title match for no good reason even though it was going to happen at WM anyways. They centered SD three weeks before WM around Angle/Lesnar as main event and in the end, ripped off the fans by having Angle's "brother" hide his face there and be used to lure Lesnar. Such a pointless thing to do. But yeah, as 2003 went further on, Brock clearly became a much bigger deal and had 'star' written all over him once he turned heel again. It's too bad he left so soon, what sucks is he did it because he was tired of traveling all over the world only to wrestle the likes of Hardcore Holly.

I don't remember the week to week booking of the feud but at that time Lesnar was really going to win the title in a short match on SD because Angle couldn't wrestle at WM in a main event match. Then when Kurt demanded to take the risk for the opportunity to main event WM, they changed the match to a teaser with Eric Angle. It was a crazy month of news for Kurt, every day it was ON and OFF, the doctors wouldn't allow him, he doesn't care, a scary chance to get paralyzed for the rest of his life or that it's going to be his last match. When they talked about all that, the earliest date for his return, if at all, was 2004. But instead he did an alternative surgery and came back in 4 months. Kurt gained a new level of respect from every fan with his performance at WM19 and the fact that he even wanted to wrestle, he showed his heart and passion for the industry like no other to the point where he even risk the ability to live a normal life just to perform in the biggest match of the year.

The problem at WM19 was mostly the 100% focus on Hogan and Vince(and the Seattle market according to Vince), they pushed it so hard everywhere. In every way possible, even taping clips of celebrities predicting who will win the match. The problem was that Vince, while a huge TV draw, was never a guy who can sell big PPVs for his matches.

As for the program, the best part started after WM, when they did the storyline that Brock of all people was the one who went to check Kurt's condition in the hospital after the surgery, then their awesome "friendly" skits together until the shocking heel turn from Brock in a cage match with Vince. Awesome chemistry, program of the year 2003.



Great time for SD in 2002-2003, best period in the history of the show after the AE.