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Old 08-23-2012, 05:51 PM   #5471 (permalink)
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For the time he was on top? PPVs were doing better domestically than now, gates were significantly higher and they were actually selling out house shows, the difference is that back then before the AE, they didn't build the machine internationally and increased prices like they're doing now to stay above red line. Ratings? the first month of his run after WM12 until Scott Hall made his Nitro debut, increased huge and broke RAW records at that time.
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He was carrying the entire wwf on his back, and he was also competing with the nwo, no 1 man can compete with that, without hbk wwf would have died back in 1996
Thank you guys. I'm tired of the 'HBK can't draw' shit. People need to understand WCW and the nWo wasn't going to be beaten by one man alone. HBK was WWF, and they were blessed to have him.

Anyway, him losing viewers via satellite isn't too surprising. Even The Rock has lost viewers that way. It just isn't something people want to see. They should have placed it in a better spot too.
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:02 PM   #5472 (permalink)
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Hogan/Vince was the big match of the show. After that I'm not sure what the actual order was, but I believe it was:

2) Rock/Austin
3) Lesnar/Angle
4) Booker/HHH
5) Y2J/HBK

Not sure though. That's what always struck me as far as match order in importance went. Maybe 2 and 3 are switched.
Hogan/Vince was by far the most promoted. In the week before the show, the main event slot changed every day between Rock/Austin, Angle/Lesnar and Hogan/Vince. In a Roundtable a year ago, JR said that Rock/Austin was supposed to close the show but with Austin's condition the night before, they thought it will be safer to deliver in the main event with Lesnar and Angle, crazy weekend with all the drama.

As for biggest in promotion:

1. Hogan/Vince
2. Rock/Austin
3. Angle/Lesnar - for this match, everybody knew that we're getting Angle vs Lesnar in the main event of WM19 from August of 2002, that was THE match for the background of the athletes alone. Combined with all the talk about their real mat wrestling contest in 2001(which Angle won BTW)and Angle's ON/OFF status for the match, they had a lot of hype.
4. HBK/Y2J above Booker/HHH because they started this with a teaser in December 2002, a great 4 months program while Booker just got his match on a battle royal after NWO(+ the stupid race angle they did with HHH).

This is Top 3 PPV of all time IMO, WM17, WM19 and Summerslam 2002.

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The overrun was still the highest segment of viewership of the night as expected. The Orton vs Alberto Del Rio match was in second place and then the Kane/Ryder vs Miz/Daniel Bryan match in third place. I like Ryback so his segments doing good is nice. Viewers just like to see a tank plow through people lol.
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This. Overrun with Cena does great numbers. Marks need to face the facts, casuals just dont care about Punk. He is not a star and never will be. He lacks "it". He is overrated, over-pushed piece of shit. Its about time Cena took the title off him.

On a side note, Was Hogan vs Vince mcmahon match really the top draw of Wrestlemania XIX? I always thought it was Kurt angle vs Lesnar because the RAW go home show of mania ppv ended with Brock lesnar and Kurt Angle recap video package and they even main evented the ppv.
I actually can't wait for Cena to become a champion so I can see the amazing ratings that you talk about, because I don't care how boring and stale he's all I care about is ratings. Punk sucks he should focus on ratings and how he can bring them in and also by sucking up to the fans and tell them how awesome they're. Punk should quit WWE and let Cena mainevent all the PPV and beat up all the young talents and get another long title reign.
Punk has no talents because he can't draw screw that skinny piece of shit pussy.

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This breakdown proves my post earlier in this thread. Punk is a ratings killer like John Morrison. Cena would have gained big alone.
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On a side note, Was Hogan vs Vince mcmahon match really the top draw of Wrestlemania XIX? I always thought it was Kurt angle vs Lesnar because the RAW go home show of mania ppv ended with Brock lesnar and Kurt Angle recap video package and they even main evented the ppv.
No it wasn't. Austin/Rock was the real main event, the two biggest draws in history.

And please don't take those "Best Box Office draws" lists from Meltzer serious. As much as I respect his opinion, those lists are pointless. He simply adds all attendance numbers, which means the guy with the most show sold most tickets. That is saying absolutely nothing about drawing ability.

Like Yved said, Lesnar, out of all the main eventers, wrestled the most house shows by far in 2003 since Goldberg, HBK and Taker didn't work fulltime and HHH was injured for a few months. So, obvioulsy he leads this list. Doesn't prove he was the biggest draw.

Now I'm not saying he wasn't the biggest draw at that time. But even if he was, that's pretty worthless considering WWE was at its lowest in 2003 since 1997.
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This breakdown proves my post earlier in this thread. Punk is a ratings killer like John Morrison. Cena would have gained big alone.
If Punk loses +800 viewers I will tell you myself that he's a rating killer, since that didn't happen I can't see your argument to be true. I said it before if he faces some known stars casual will recognise him and they may like him or they will not. If he faces Taker in WM, make Cena tape out, faces Rocky and Austin I think casual will like him if he was impressive, if he wasn't well its his problem he blowed it.

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If that is so true, how comes the WWF started to fight back against WCW AFTER he retired? He was a prick backstage and kept everyone else back. Vader, a know draw in WCW and Japan, was a failure in WWF due to HBK's bullshit. Who knows who else he could of kept back?
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I actually can't wait for Cena to become a champion so I can see the amazing ratings that you talk about, because I don't care how boring and stale he's all I care about is ratings. Punk sucks he should focus on ratings and how he can bring them in and also by sucking up to the fans and tell them how awesome they're. Punk should quit WWE and let Cena mainevent all the PPV and beat up all the young talents and get another long title reign.
Punk has no talents because he can't draw screw that skinny piece of shit pussy.
This. Punk can't draw.
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This. Punk can't draw.


That. Sarcasm can't draw.
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