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Old 08-23-2012, 12:54 PM   #5451 (permalink)
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The Jericho match lost only 30k on a random slot, not bad at all there. Jericho started doing good numbers again after he came back from the suspension, that's also when he started to be enjoyable to watch again(He is always, but the storyline held even him down)after months of horrible program. He should have been a babyface from the start. Lesnar brought the entire overall of the show up, record number for the opening segment and interest in who won between him and HHH. From next week, there's no Lesnar/Heyman/Jericho and and Orton is going to film a movie soon, add to that the MNF competition and they should get comical ratings.

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The Jericho match lost only 30k on a random slot, not bad at all there. Jericho started doing good numbers again after he came back from the suspension, that's also when he started to be enjoyable to watch again(He is always, but the storyline held even him down)after months of horrible program. He should have been a babyface from the start. Lesnar brought the entire overall of the show up, record number for the opening segment and interest in who won between him and HHH. From next week, there's no Lesnar/Heyman/Jericho and and Orton is going to film a movie soon, add to that the MNF competition and they should get comical ratings.
So one of your faves, Jericho loses 30k and that's "not bad at all", but when Punk and Bryan lost 30k a few weeks ago, it was "a disasterous, horrendous loss" As for Lesnar, he's done nothing for the ratings since he came back. Also, the absence of Orton won't affect the ratings in the least.

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Lesnar/Heyman was the highest opener they've had since the 1000th Raw so people were obviously interested in the fallout of Summerslam. I imagine had this gone on at 9pm or 10pm it would have done a lot better. Then again, had it not happened here I think the opening would have done a lot worse, probably around the 2.6 mark that Punk/Show pulled last week. People kept tuning in for the whole first hour. 4.2 million, 4.3 million, 4.4 million etc right up until Q6 when they started losing them with steady falls in the second hour. The third hour is all over the place.

Shawn losing viewers in a via satellite interview, while obviously not good, isn't necessarily bad either. He wasn't live, it was obvious that HHH wasn't going to be there and honestly, it just wasn't a very good segment either. Having said that, this took up no more than 5 minutes of a 15 minute quarter. I'm not sure what else happened in that time frame but if it was commercials then it's not surprising that it did badly. Taped segment + commercials = obvious result.

I'm surprised at Jericho/Dolph losing viewers. I know Jericho hasn't impacted on the ratings at all since his return but that match was advertised and had his career on the line. For that segment to lose viewers isn't a good sign for either of them tbh and really, if you ever needed proof that Chris Jericho doesn't make a dent as far as television ratings are concerned, this is it. On top of that, people obviously didn't give a fuck if Dolph lost his MITB either. Just bad. Maybe it's because everybody knew he was leaving anyways? I don't know.

The overrun number is good enough. Not up to the usual Cena standards but still the most watched segment of the night. It's a pity because I thought it was a great segment. We'll see for next week what happens because the lead in is there with Cena walking away and Punk kicking Lawler.
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I think the low 280k gain at 9pm shows that the fallout from previous night's PPV gain happened at 8pm with Brock/Heyman opening the show. Clay losing viewers is good news. Shawn Michaels interview losing viewers is not surprising, "Via satellite" promos usually dont do well. Even the Rock's via sat interviews have lost viewers. I expected that Jericho/Ziggler match viewership loss. Overrun with Punk/Cena should have done better.

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Actually Henry outdid RTWM ratings. RTWM Avg = 1.92, Henry's Title reign Avg = 2.07

Ratings Henry was fucking Legit.



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Good point actually. Might have been the case.
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[quote=Vyed;11930480] I read in another board where same topic was being discussed, RAW that night ended before Nitro's overrun and viewers switched over post match. It makes sense if you consider how the WWE is actually pushing it, but not too sure.

Yes, that's what happened. Raw, a taped show, ended several minutes before Nitro finished. So after Raw went off-air, maybe even immediately after Foleys win, people switched over to Nitro, which happened all the time back then.
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Both shows had a 5 minutes overrun that night. That's what Meltzer meant. WWE's version of the story and his influence is complete bullshit.

Jericho's match was in the middle of the show, I don't see how it is surprising that it lost 30k, that's probably above average for what that segment usually does. As for Brock in wrestling:
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He was becoming bigger every year, the moment he left and Kurt was injured, SD collapsed in 2004. That was the year it really became the clear B level program.

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Nah.. Brock wasnt much of a draw in his previous WWE run. SD attendance in 2003 was just as bad as 2004. Brock headlined WM 19, that did the worst buys in history. No mercy 2003 did the lowest buys of the entire year and brock was the headlining act. He is #1 in that list coz HHH suffered a groin injury that year and brock had to work all of the house shows. Lesnar left WWE in 2004 and it didnt affect the business one bit. I've said this before, Brock became a tremendous draw as a MMA fighter but never as a wrestling character. Vince Mcmahon wanted him to be the next mega-star, the face of WWE, gave him the biggest push since Goldberg but it never happened.

As of now, even the company doesnt know how big of a draw he really is, only mania 29 buys next year could show his true worth to WWE. We'll have to wait and see if he can outdraw Rock/Cena from WM28.
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Yes he was. Biggest on the roster actually. SD 2003 was significantly higher than 2004, that year they were working TVs in 3k arenas sometimes. First of all, WM19 never did "worst of all time", and second, selling point match was Hogan/Vince, Vince blamed that along with the Seattle market. "Brock had to work all of the house shows" ?? Nobody worked all the house shows, they had brand shows and HHH was working most of the year on his brand with his injury, Brock and Angle drew bigger on their brand.

When Brock left SD was a dead program, around that time Angle was also injured and that started the fall of the show to what it is now. Vince himself said on OTR interview that Brock was becoming bigger attraction every year and he did everything to keep him. In late 2003 Brock signed a huge contract, Vince offered him that deal because he was the top star of the company. That contract will also become a big problem for Brock when he left because according to it he couldn't wrestle until it expired(2009-2010 IIRC). I don't think you know about this situation from what you wrote there. Most of it not close to reality.

The standard for success is never biggest of all time, according to that logic, any basketball player besides Jordan is worthless. WM29 has the potential to break it if they're doing Rock/Brock. Until now he did good business, on TV he did peak most of the time or did record opening like this week and sold out shows after his return in Apri + the increase on PPV at ER and probably Summerslam, not happening without his name on it.
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