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Old 08-11-2012, 12:01 AM   #5141 (permalink)
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Old 08-11-2012, 12:22 PM   #5142 (permalink)
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Are people really surprised by the numbers though? I mean, the WWE has proven it can't write a solid, long running story line so more and more fans are just tuning out? The only reason the 1000th episode did anything was for the nostalgia... we wanted to see some old faces and remember the days when the WWE didn't have an idiot in charge. Sad to think the supposed genius is the same damn idiot now... oi.
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A segment involving Lesnar, HBK and HHH only did a 3.45? and only gained 250'000?

this angle has no heat. Yes they weren't advertised but still, people and notify other people, they should of done way more then that.
Right. It's a pretty shitty excuse. Yes advertising it more would have helped a little bit, but not by much despite what people keep preaching. This is a shitty rating for these three. Then again Lesnar hasn't been a TV draw since coming back anyway so no real surprise. This angle, just like Rock/Cena, isn't doing much as far as ratings go. At least not as much as it should.
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Right. It's a pretty shitty excuse. Yes advertising it more would have helped a little bit, but not by much despite what people keep preaching. This is a shitty rating for these three. Then again Lesnar hasn't been a TV draw since coming back anyway so no real surprise. This angle, just like Rock/Cena, isn't doing much as far as ratings go. At least not as much as it should.
Rock/Cena was the most promoted match probably in WWE history. It got built for a whole year. A year. WWE didn't even advertise the fact that Brock, HBK, or HHH were going to be on this show and a random 'Oh btw, guess who's here next!!' promo at the top of the hour doesn't count. Ridiculous comparison. Rock/Cena disappointed with a bazillion times the promotion behind it than HHH/Lesnar. The latter, outside the arm break and Raw 1000 segments, has just been a disappointment all together. Why? Because outside of said segments, WWE has failed to follow even the most basic rules of advertising, promotion and their old favorite, feud building/story telling. Advertising it more would have helped more than a little bit. Don't be stupid. If people who don't follow every week don't know top names are going to be on a particular show, they don't watch. Seems like your butthurt/bias/whatever you want to call it against Brock Lesnar, for whatever reason that you have it in the first place, is clouding your judgment when it comes to him.
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It Pat Patterson still around backstage to help with angles & whatnot?
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I really don't think it matters who they have back there so long as Vince makes the final call. Until that changes, nothing changes.
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I really don't think it matters who they have back there so long as Vince makes the final call. Until that changes, nothing changes.
That's why I'm asking because it used to be Pat & Vince that did everything & if Pat isn't around anymore, that puts a lot more pressure & workload onto a Vince McMahon that isn't getting any younger. Thus, he might be tempted to push a lot of the shit he usually overseas, onto other people like Hayes or Stephanie.

I know Pat used to lay out all the Rumbles, but when he stopped you could noticeably see the difference in the matches. They made less sense.
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Vince seems to have his hand in too many things. He can't be a creative genius if he only dedicates say 20% of his time to creative. That's what the creative team is there for, to work on creative for the 80% of the time when he's doing all the other things he has to do but what seems to happen is that Vince does his shit, gets everybody else to do their shit and then when it's presented to him, uses the little time he has dedicated to okaying things to completely change everything and the end result is actual shit for a product. So many former writers have said the exact same thing, former wrestlers, current wrestlers and even Stephanie and HHH have both said it too, that's he's basically spread too thin and that he makes ALL the decisions. Like I said before, until that changes, nothing changes.
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Rock/Cena was the most promoted match probably in WWE history. It got built for a whole year. A year. WWE didn't even advertise the fact that Brock, HBK, or HHH were going to be on this show and a random 'Oh btw, guess who's here next!!' promo at the top of the hour doesn't count. Ridiculous comparison. Rock/Cena disappointed with a bazillion times the promotion behind it than HHH/Lesnar. The latter, outside the arm break and Raw 1000 segments, has just been a disappointment all together. Why? Because outside of said segments, WWE has failed to follow even the most basic rules of advertising, promotion and their old favorite, feud building/story telling. Advertising it more would have helped more than a little bit. Don't be stupid. If people who don't follow every week don't know top names are going to be on a particular show, they don't watch. Seems like your butthurt/bias/whatever you want to call it against Brock Lesnar, for whatever reason that you have it in the first place, is clouding your judgment when it comes to him.
I wasn't directly comparing it to Rock/Cena, I was just saying it's a similar situation. There's a feud that was, like you said, probably the most promoted match in WWE history. It was still doing decent numbers, 3.5 overruns, but not something you'd expect out of a program of that magnitude. You'd expect better, obviously. Same applies here. Except what differs is the numbers this feud is doing aren't even decent. They're just not good. And oh come on, everyone knows the deal. 6 million+ people watched RAW 1000, they know what's main eventing Summerslam in just a few days. They know it's Lesnar/HHH. You don't need to advertise that they're on RAW because people assume the build up is going to be taking place. I doubt most people are thinking "Oh the match is in two weeks, but nah they won't appear or say a word until then." It's a crummy excuse. The feud is just not clicking, whether it be drawing-wise or storyline-wise, it's not clicking. Hell, the three way feels more like the SS main event than this does.

And I have no bias towards Lesnar lol. I'm entertained by him most of the time when his mouth isn't open. Who doesn't love just watching a beast do his thing. I'm just saying, he's not really been impressive since coming back, in terms of TV ratings. People can put the blame on him being beaten by Cena all they want, but really this started the week after he came back when the first segment drew embarrassingly low.
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