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The thing is, Orton and Punk just aren't equal cases. Orton had been given a superpush for literally years on end culminating in a massive babyface turn and subsequent world championship chase throughout the entire spring and summer. And yet, at his most white hot in his entire career, Orton's taking of the WWE Championship in September 2010 didn't merely not budge the ratings in the positive direction, it coincided with a few weeks of steep ratings drops, which in fairness was in large part also due to the explosion of the new Monday Night Football season that year. In recent years the only world champion who's been able to keep the ship going strong in terms of ratings during Monday Night Football has been Cena. Punk's push was going very well until the entire situation became an ungodly mess thanks to the bizarre booking and writing with Triple H and particularly the way Kevin Nash was employed.

I love Chris Jericho to death, I love CM Punk, but if WWE is truly looking to book a Road to Wrestlemania feud between those two for the WWE Championship, I foresee weak quarter hours for a feud that will be viewed as a distant, distant almost quasi-midcard match for Wrestlemania beneath The Rock and John Cena. The only way to cement Punk at this point due in large part to WWE's botching of the Summer of Punk as we entered autumn was to have the feud everyone wanted, with a newly heel-turned Triple H. That would stand up as a worthy WWE Championship match and would draw strong ratings and would manage to not be utterly overshadowed by Rock/Cena the way I guarantee Jericho/Punk will be. Oh well. Again, I love Punk, I love Jericho (and I love Triple H!) but Jericho is not suited to put Punk over the top as a firmly entrenched megastar who can actually draw on his own. Triple H is.

Speaking of ratings, it was in no small part thanks to Triple H and, to give the devil his due, Kevin Nash (for a little while when his involvement had some novelty to it) along with John Cena and Vince McMahon before them that allowed Punk to enjoy very healthy quarter hour ratings during the Summer of Punk. Separate Punk from those guys and he didn't fare nearly as well. Naturally. Batista needed Triple H in the same way when they were about to turn the corner with him; The Miz (who's currently in fucking limbo in a go-nowhere "feud" with R-Truth) needed Cena and The Rock during last year's RTWM season before he could begin drawing well (actually better than babyface Punk--and that is partly because Miz received a righteous push through Wrestlemania season opposite Cena and Rock, whereas Punk is apparently destined to be locked in with Jericho) on his own as WWE Champion; even a guy who was about as close to becoming a draw on his absolute own, John Cena, back in 2005 when he was finally being given the ball, benefited from his onscreen relationship with JBL--and then, once more, with that symbiotic relationship he had with Edge by the time 2006 began.

Punk isn't drawing because WWE short-circuited his push opposite the absolute top names in the game (Cena, Triple H) around October, then rushed the WWE Championship onto him at Survivor Series instead of building him back up from the ground up all the way to Wrestlemania as a newly crowned face WWE Champion there. Feuding with a directionless Miz, an Alberto Del Rio who is not, despite everything, firmly established and in need of a character modification after a mere year and a half run as an onscreen character and now midcard Dolph Ziggler who's being given another obvious lame duck Royal Rumble world championship program ala last year on Smackdown with Edge won't do Punk any favors. The Laurinaitis storyline is stuck in the mud, and aside from that one very well-executed moment on the Jan. 2 show with Punk's verbal threat/promise to him backstage, has netted an almost complete void of anything interesting or memorable (it's the Jaws: The Revenge-level version of an original instant classic in Austin vs. McMahon at best). And Jericho, again, just isn't cut out to "make" someone a top guy forever. Triple H, of course is.

And that's why it pains me most especially as an ancient huge fan of Triple H to say that where everything began to go off course was when he exited the entire Punk angle in favor of having a feud with his old friend Kevin Nash that no one on this planet ever wanted aside from Nash himself. Nothing was gained from any of that. Nothing. Nothing. Meanwhile, Triple H turning heel would have been a drastic shot in the arm to a promotion and program in Raw that truly needed it and instead we're stuck with Punk and J-Ace acting like they're characters from Office Space or something.

Of course, nothing is carved into stone aside from Rock/Cena (and ostensibly Cena's inevitable heel turn which they foreshadow every week now), and it's conceivable that Punk can still do all right and wait for Heel Cena to go after him perhaps around Summerslam time, but I must say that if Jericho vs. Punk is the game plan, they've made a rather major misstep as that program, despite probably having some brilliant promos and leading to some fantastic matches, is not going to catapult Punk into the strata WWE needs and wants him to be in.
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Raw on 1/9 got hammered by the second most watched television show in the history of cable television.

The Alabama vs. LSU BCS championship football game did a 16.22 rating and 24.21 million viewers. The only show in the history of cable to do more viewers was last year’s BCS championship game on January 10, 2011, with Oregon vs. Auburn that did a 17.76 rating and 27.32 million viewers. The third biggest would be an October 5, 2009, edition of Monday Night Football that did a 15.3 rating and 21.84 million viewers.

While Raw was a blah show, most people knew ahead of time it was a show where you shouldn’t throw too much out because any kind of big angle would be wasted and should be saved for 1/16, when the January ratings bounce back should start building for the next three weeks. If that doesn’t happen, then it’s something to worry about.

The show did a 2.86 rating and 4.00 million viewers. It was 9th for the night on cable, with four of the eight shows that beat them being related to coverage of the game in some form. Notable is that NCIS, the show at 8 p.m. on USA, did 4.18 million viewers (the game started at 8:30 p.m. but the pre-game show on ESPN did monster numbers as well). But NCIS doesn’t draw the heavy male demo that both football and pro wrestling do. NCIS beating Raw I think has only happened once.

The show did a 2.5 in Male teens (up 9%), a 2.7 in Males 18-49 (down 4%), 1.3 in Women teens (up 44%) and 1.1 in Women 18-49 (down 8%). The show did 68.7% male viewers.

In the segment-by-segment, Sheamus & Santino Marella vs. Wade Barrett & Jinder Mahal lost 238,000 viewers. Edge Hall of Fame package, Zack Ryder and Eve Torres backstage and Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston gained 100,000 viewers. The debut of Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins plus Miz trying to recruit Primo & Epico lost 82,000 viewers. C.M. Punk vs. Jack Swagger gained 128,000 viewers and did a 3.00 rating in the 10 p.m. slot, which is terrible for the slot. Backstage stuff with Bellas and Miz and Ricardo Rodriguez, Cena and Ryder and the Four Horsemen vignette lost 193,000 viewers, which is actually much better than that segment usually does. The segment with R-Truth beating on Rodriguez and the Miz/R-Truth brawl, plus the second appearance of the mute Chris Jericho lost 130,000 viewers. Okay, this is something that is noteworthy. Eve Torres in the ring, Kane’s music hitting, Ryder trying to save her, getting her in the car and trying to change the tire lost 544,000 viewers and did a 2.39 quarter. To lose that many viewers that late in the show before the main event is something significant. And John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the conclusion of that segment gained 640,000 viewers, which is normal level, but it still was only a 2.84 overrun, which is the second lowest overrun figure (even the show that did a 2.71 in September hit 3.03 for the overrun), behind only the week they did Punk & Bryan & Ziggler in the trios match, dating back to 1997.

As far as growth for Cena vs. Ziggler, Male teens went from 2.4 to 2.6, Males 18-49 from 2.3 to 2.6, Teenage girls from 1.0 to 1.2 and Women 18-49 from 0.8 to 1.0.
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Raw on Jan. 2 did a 3.11 rating and 4.43 million viewers. It’s interesting to note that the prior week’s show did a 2.93 rating but that was 4.47 million viewers. What that means is that the 12/26 show had 1.53 viewers per home, while the Jan. 2 show had 1.44 viewers per home.

The show went head-to-head with the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl game with Oklahoma State vs. Stanford that did a 9.66 rating and 13.68 million viewers. Raw was the 6th highest rated show on cable for the night.

The show did 67.8% male viewers. In the major demos, it did a 2.3 in Male teens (even with last week), a 2.8 in Males 18-49 (up 8%), a 0.9 in Women teens (down 18%) and a 1.2 in Women 18-49 (even with last week).

In the segment-by-segment, it was the bad pattern where the highest rated segment was first quarter with the John Cena in-ring and Kane on the tron which did a 3.36 rating. Cody Rhodes vs. Daniel Bryan lost 332,000 viewers. Yep, World champ vs. IC champ and people tuned out. Wade Barrett vs. Santino Marella and the Sheamus/Miz brawl gained 240,000 viewers. A bunch of backstage stuff (Dolph Ziggler interview; Zack Ryder, Eve Torres, Jack Swagger, John Laurinaitis and C.M. Punk) lost 431,000 viewers. Punk vs. Ziggler for the WWE title in the 10 p.m. segment gained 180,000 viewers which is bad for that segment. The return of Chris Jericho lost 82,000 viewers. The Cena & Zack Ryder & Big Show vs. Mark Henry & Swagger 3-on-2 elimination match and show ending angle with Cena, Kane and Ryder gained 383,000 viewers, weak for the overrun, doing a 3.33 rating. Main event saw Male teens go from 2.5 to 2.8, Male 18-49 from 2.9 to 3.3, Women teens from 0.9 to 1.0 and Women 18-49 stayed at 1.1.
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I'm weeping at the return of common sense, rationality and logic lol. Bravo.
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Simple. Unless there's a 'big name' leading the show (the Rock, Cena) the casual TV viewer is not going to give a fuck about Raw. Only wrestling fans. Hence the low ratings.

Now WWE start making new stars, take the little ratings hit for a bit, and it will be for the long term good.
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And John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the conclusion of that segment gained 640,000 viewers, which is normal level, but it still was only a 2.84 overrun, which is the second lowest overrun figure (even the show that did a 2.71 in September hit 3.03 for the overrun), behind only the week they did Punk & Bryan & Ziggler in the trios match, dating back to 1997.
So Punk haters, this MUST mean Cena can't draw either right? Punk vs. Swagger even did better. Now please, enough of this horseshit about one person drawing. It's not up to one individual. These ratings aren't Punk's fault, they aren't Cena's, not Jericho's, Kane's, Miz's, Orton's, etc. Have you not seen the garbage storylines that they are airing? This is the problem. You've got a WWE championship situation with no story at all with a challenger nobody gives a flying fuck about. Then you have this Kane/Cena/Ryder stuff which may just be some of the worst TV I've seen WWE do. They want good ratings, they need good storylines. It's just a shame to see people put the blame one on man when it's an entire show's doing.
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So Punk haters, this MUST mean Cena can't draw either right? Punk vs. Swagger even did better. Now please, enough of this horseshit about one person drawing. It's not up to one individual. These ratings aren't Punk's fault, they aren't Cena's, not Jericho's, Kane's, Miz's, Orton's, etc. Have you not seen the garbage storylines that they are airing? This is the problem. You've got a WWE championship situation with no story at all with a challenger nobody gives a flying fuck about. Then you have this Kane/Cena/Ryder stuff which may just be some of the worst TV I've seen WWE do. They want good ratings, they need good storylines. It's just a shame to see people put the blame one on man when it's an entire show's doing.
WTF are you talking about dumbass? It gained over half a million viewers.

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I am no punk hater but Punk doesnt draw and cena does. FACT. Dont dispute it.
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I am no punk hater but Punk doesnt draw and cena does. FACT. Dont dispute it.
Calm your titties. I obviously wasn't saying Cena doesn't draw. But going by most of the arguments here saying Punk doesn't draw, it can be used here too. Okay the match gained that much, but not as much as it should have because the rating was the second lowest since 1997. Let me say it again so you don't have to act like an idiot, Cena isn't a ratings killer, no one man is. Bad storylines are ratings killers.
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In what definitely hurt the RAW rating, the January 9th RAW Supershow did a 2.86 rating with 4 million viewers up against the Alabama vs. LSU BCS Championship football game which did a 16.22 rating and 24.21 million viewers.

In the segment breakdown, Sheamus and Santino Marella vs. Wade Barrett and Jinder Mahal lost 238,000 viewers from the opener. The Edge Hall of Fame announcement, a segment with Eve Torres and Zack Ryder plus Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston gained 100,000 viewers back.

Brodus Clay's debut vs. Curt Hawkins plus a segment with The Miz, Primo and Epico lost 82,000 viewers. In the 10pm timeslot, CM Punk vs. Jack Swagger did a 3.00 rating and gained 128,000 viewers - another bad number for 10pm.

Backstage segments with The Bellas, The Miz, Ricardo Rodriguez, John Cena and Zack Ryder plus the Four Horsemen Hall of Fame video lost 193,000 viewers. The segment with R-Truth & Rodriguez plus the brawl with The Miz and Chris Jericho's appearance lost 130,000 viewers.

The segment with Eve Torres in the ring, Kane coming out and Zack Ryder trying to save her by taking her to his car lost 544,000 viewers and did a 2.39 quarter rating. It's a bad sign when RAW loses over a half-million viewers before the main event. The main event of Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the end segment in the parking lot gained 640,000 viewers for a 2.84 overrun rating. This is about normal viewership for the overrun but the second-lowest rating going back to 1997.

During the Cena vs. Ziggler main event, Male Teens went from a 2.4 rating to a 2.6, Males 18-49 went from a 2.3 to a 2.6, Female Teens went from a 1.0 to a 1.2 and Females 18-49 went from a 0.8 to a 1.0 rating.

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Ah got to love people on here trying to run damage control. It is down basically half a million in a week but people say it is the same....When you are down 20% how is that the same? When "Pawn Stars" beats you thats when you know your in trouble....

Just further evidence that WWE needs to shake things up or 2012 will be a very bad year for them.
Im not a fan of pawn stars at all but i find shows of its ilk (hardcore pawn, cash cowboys, american pickers, etc) strangely addictive, theyre all repetitive and happen in short segments so its no harm to tune in and out, which makes it a perfect show to run against raw because whenever raw starts to get boring (such when divas come out) you can just flip over and catch a segment without needing to see the whole show.
Im guessing part of the reason the ryder/eve segment bombed so much was viewers assumed the diva match was starting and tuned out. (shame for them, they missed that thrilling tyre changing action)
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they should just make a Tim Tebow appreciation raw. The TebowManiacs are driving me crazy and now he is supposedly everyones favorite athlete. Maybe he'd bring better numbers than the Rock
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