[Ageei]

Never mind, I see that's all ready been discussed.

[JinderMahal69er]

See what happens when you take mahal/mcintyre/hawkins/reks of tv, the ratings drop

[Tedious]

Originally Posted by JinderMahal69er

See what happens when you take mahal/mcintyre/hawkins/reks of tv, the ratings drop

These random wrestler mega mark trolls really aren't funny or original.

[DesolationRow]

Originally Posted by Starbuck

Shitty 10pm gain but I'm not quite sure what that means right now since it's a 3 hour show and all. Will that become standard for the 3 hour shows or can, as last week proved, big numbers be drawn with the right people? We'll see.

Not big on pointing out how much other TV programs/games/whatnot can harm Raw's viewership on a regular basis but I think Monday at 10:00pm (and shortly before, which would carry over the 10:00pm mark) was one such example where Raw was hurt by something else on TV. Roughly at 10:00pm, it was the peak of NBC's prime time videotape delay playing the diving and swimming events at the Olympics, which did astronomical numbers.

I like your suggestion of using Punk at the top of one of the hours on his own to check out how he does, but the 9:00pm timeslot is going to receive the asterisk that the Bryan/Sheamus streetfight did this week, as doubtless a healthy number of viewers forgetting about the first hour are just showing up to join the viewers who were along for the ride in the first hour. At least for a good while, anyway.

[Choke2Death]

Wow, don't know why Cena and Big Show would be such a huge gain when they are never more boring than when they are against each other. (actually, Show is boring all the time)

I guess the truth remains, which is Cena being an undeniable draw.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by DesolationRow

I like your suggestion of using Punk at the top of one of the hours on his own to check out how he does, but the 9:00pm timeslot is going to receive the asterisk that the Bryan/Sheamus streetfight did this week, as doubtless a healthy number of viewers forgetting about the first hour are just showing up to join the viewers who were along for the ride in the first hour. At least for a good while, anyway.

Pretty much this. 8PM is no good right now because not everyone is tuning in at that time yet. 9PM will get the big gain for the next several weeks as mentioned, and the 11pm/overrun, even if Punk was in a segment by himself and gained 1,000,000 viewers, it would just be because "people were tuning in for the next show".

The 10PM slot is the only place Punk can do no wrong if he gained big, but that slot doesn't gain like it used to (besides when there are 2-3 huge names in it like Taker/HBK/HHH earlier this year).

Also for this week, in addition to what I said already, I'm sure Punk's commentary also kept people from tuning out and bringing the overall gain up due to people wondered "What would Punk do?" Personally I was hoping he'd drop another big "pipebomb" like last year. He kinda did it with Lawler but I was hoping for something a little more hard-hitting by the end. Oh well, perhaps we'll get something in the next month or so.

Also hopefully Punk calls Rock "Dwayne" a lot more in the future. The reaction on here for it in the Raw thread was hilarious. (And I don't normally like the whole "calling them by their real name if they have a character name" thing, but people's reactions were beyond hilarious).

[AthenaMark]

Originally Posted by yoseftigger

No surprise. Cena is their current biggest TV draw. Big Show is also another big TV draw. No shit their match is going to draw big. Plus the match went long and was quite good for Big Show.

Cena hasn't been their "biggest" draw in awhile. One of the segments with Big Show did terrible a few weeks ago. Hell, Johnny L and Big Show outdrew that shit.

[Rock316AE]

It's not about a one time deal, it's about a pattern, and Punk proved time after time that he's not an attraction. He can be over with your core audience that are coming to the arenas and that can bring a wrestler to certain level, especially today when the depth in the talent pool is at an all-time low. But to draw the masses, you need that imaginary IT factor and the look of a star to be able to captivate the people, it's the same "turn heads" presence, Punk is not that guy and with everything they gave him, everything you can give to a wrestler for over 6 years, will never be that guy.

I just checked some old 2009 breakdown, if you remember the Big Show/Cena/Miz angle from that time period, the one before Miz's US title run. That program did big numbers all over the show. Besides Orton who was on fire, and proven draws like Show and Cena, I didn't remember the Miz angle doing that good. After that you got regular people like Batista, HBK, HHH and Vince. A Big Show/John Cena match actually main evented the big commercial free Trump show. And with the buyrate they drew for NWO 2012, 202k worldwide(biggest of the year from the regular shows besides Brock), it's not a surprise why they're going back to it almost every year.

[Choke2Death]

Wasn't the biggest gain in that Trump episode the LMS match between Orton and HHH? Orton truly was a draw back then. From being the top merchandise seller to bringing 4.1 ratings and main eventing Wrestlemania. (although the latter was kind of disappointing but the tired crowd was one big reason for that)

[Rock316AE]

Yes, peak of the show was Orton/HHH LMS.