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post #5071 of 9131 (permalink) Old 08-02-2012, 06:46 PM
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Bryan's push seems to be more of a success than Punk's push. Bryan deserves it. I hope they dont drop the ball with him.
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been saying ever since phil got his massive push, he's got wrestling skills, mic skills(more like whining skills)also looks but nothing that attract masses .for casual fans he is still a janitor lookalike.

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I have to be honest, im not entirely sure what it is peeople see in D Bryan. He's not my cup of tea. Im not a technical fan, bit of an attitude era lover, but I can still apprecaite good performers these days. Ziggler for example, I am very fond of his character and his in-ring work. It just feels like to me that Bryan has slow matches, that drag and are boring. Without the whole 'YES' thing D Bryan is fairly dull and I really, really think that throughout this whole love 'tangle' that AJ has carried the both of Punk and Bryan.

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Sheamus buries D Bryan at WM - Bryan gets massively over.

The GOAT The Rock buries Bryan on the mic - D Bryan becomes a top RAW draw.

Conclusion: You can't bury a GOAT.

That said, Bryan deserves it, he has been entertaining all the time and I think him beeing involved in a segment with The Rock made the general public take more notice of him than before, especially since his storyline was featured heavily on the show, so he just took the ball, ran with it and landed a touchdown. Nice to see that even on RAW he's starting to become a legitimate star.
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The thing about Bryan, is Either you really love him, or you can't stand him. Which is great. It's not a matter of being boring or not drawing a reaction, or doing nothing entertaining at all. That's why Bryan always gets a great reaction, it's not like ADR(He has gotten better heat of late) where sometimes there is no reaction at all, Bryan always gets one.


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The 500k gain for Sheamus/Bryan wasn't the actual match OR the wrestlers, it was simply the people who don't know/forgot about the 8pm start. You only need to look at the number, 3.1 is actually below average for the start of RAW. It was still a great TV match but it wasn't "drawing" or something.

The gain after that for Bryan's doctor skits or whatever it was, you can credit him. And I agree with you because he was great in that segment. Unlike most of his segments where he's just over the top, doing this ridiculous, unrealistic YES act. He was natural and completely believable here and it shows. He's not becoming a TV draw or something, that's just exaggeration, but he can definitely be entertaining with the right material.
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I know what you're saying, but to be fair, some people just never manage to click with the audience. Lex Luger is an example of this, they wanted to make him face of the company after Hogan left, but the audience just didn't care. We may have a similar case in our hands currently.

Hell, Cena himself has never truly clicked with the whole audience. He was extremely over at first and has always been loved by the female audience (kids joined in as his superman push started) but not all men were fans of his and slowly but surely, they turned on him. He had the misfortune of the hate bandwagon spreading fast so his overness turned into "controversy" (WWE's idea) but on the other hand, he's been a consistent seller of merchandise which has kept the boat afloat somewhere in between, rather than at the very bottom or at the very top.
Was Punk not clicking with casuals? It doesn't appear that he is a stand-alone figure for viewers to singularly tune in to, although there were past indicators that viewers were drawn to his promos more then his matches (a worrying trend for what he's been trying to preach, regardless). That part is one of the few grey shades in an otherwise widely appraised face run by audiences, however. Let's be honest with ourselves, the twilight period of 2011 saw him pitted mainly against unconsolidated main event figures such as ADR and Miz to formulate the ME scene. With no particular angle resting on it aside from a few back and forth matches it wasn't exactly compelling viewing, nor was the injection of Cena to a few gimmick-based PPVs.

Speaking of Cena, your point on his connection to the overreaching audience has some merit. The reality is, however, his 'mixed popularity' has been a major selling point for most of his career and continues to be. His arena reception means nothing in the great scheme of his overarching appeal, namely the projection of his branding. The best thing they did for the legacy of John Cena (business-wise) was redirect his key demographic to the younger audiences. He still maintained many of his older fans mid 2008 when this movement became more noticeable as well.

Although it is a unique dynamic they’ve come across, it will still be a career marred by infamy. When we look back on the character it’ll probably be looked on a little more positively like most things are. Picture this; the top face that was not fully accepted, but wouldn’t change in spite of it. It would have a great ring to it if it wasn’t for a few things; namely the smarks laying their boots into his poor abilities that broke the “fourth wall” of kayfabe. As you said, the legacy of John Cena will always be tainted by his inability to incite the desired response from all audiences (despite it being turned into a positive somewhat). I ask though, where has face Punk received the same level of hostility from the masses based on something like his ability or even his appeal?

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It's not about a one time deal, it's about a pattern, and Punk proved time after time that he's not an attraction. He can be over with your core audience that are coming to the arenas and that can bring a wrestler to certain level, especially today when the depth in the talent pool is at an all-time low. But to draw the masses, you need that imaginary IT factor and the look of a star to be able to captivate the people, it's the same "turn heads" presence, Punk is not that guy and with everything they gave him, everything you can give to a wrestler for over 6 years, will never be that guy.
Obviously “imaginary” isn’t quite the word you’re looking for when describing the “It” factor, although I agree it exists without it being necessarily tangible. For all the talk about booking in this thread, however, Punk has had quite a checkered history in spite all his accolades. I think he’d be the first to argue that continuity was a real issue at some junctures and I’m not necessarily referring to his WWE Title run. Regardless, the white-hot period he came riding in on after that shoot should be proof that Punk can be a large contributor to the company’s profit, so it’s shortsighted to say he can’t amount to anything of worth when he probably would’ve come close to doing such had it not been for such a weak conclusion.

Let’s face it, most of today’s problems lies with WWE’s lack of captivating angles and programs. That’s what I feel it mostly boils down to, and I encourage others to come at that remark with reasons as to why they think it isn't the case.

Also, these overzealous outburst from the D-Bry sector over their boy drawing is growing into something quite irritating. I realize a few of you would likely be taking the piss over this 'criteria' so many fans parrot to make their boys legit. I also know, however, that there will be a few jumping for joy over the news and running over to threads about, say, Randy Orton to rub it in. It ain't a two way street people, and you can't blindly follow something and disregard it when it suits you without making yourself look like an idiot.

Wonder what some of you will be when D-Bry gets that inevitable loss in viewer numbers during one of his major segment. Creating more of these intolerable mark wars? Probably.

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Raw 1000 in the UK on Sky Sports had a massive 460,000 viewers, with the live airing getting 357,000 viewers. It is easily the most watched Raw in ten years in the UK.
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Huge. When you put in it context that it's 1am to 4am in the morning, it's huge. Fucking hell.
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