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Old 08-02-2012, 02:38 PM   #5061 (permalink)
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Wow, don't know why Cena and Big Show would be such a huge gain when they are never more boring than when they are against each other. (actually, Show is boring all the time)

I guess the truth remains, which is Cena being an undeniable draw.
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Old 08-02-2012, 02:49 PM   #5062 (permalink)
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I like your suggestion of using Punk at the top of one of the hours on his own to check out how he does, but the 9:00pm timeslot is going to receive the asterisk that the Bryan/Sheamus streetfight did this week, as doubtless a healthy number of viewers forgetting about the first hour are just showing up to join the viewers who were along for the ride in the first hour. At least for a good while, anyway.
Pretty much this. 8PM is no good right now because not everyone is tuning in at that time yet. 9PM will get the big gain for the next several weeks as mentioned, and the 11pm/overrun, even if Punk was in a segment by himself and gained 1,000,000 viewers, it would just be because "people were tuning in for the next show".

The 10PM slot is the only place Punk can do no wrong if he gained big, but that slot doesn't gain like it used to (besides when there are 2-3 huge names in it like Taker/HBK/HHH earlier this year).

Also for this week, in addition to what I said already, I'm sure Punk's commentary also kept people from tuning out and bringing the overall gain up due to people wondered "What would Punk do?" Personally I was hoping he'd drop another big "pipebomb" like last year. He kinda did it with Lawler but I was hoping for something a little more hard-hitting by the end. Oh well, perhaps we'll get something in the next month or so.

Also hopefully Punk calls Rock "Dwayne" a lot more in the future. The reaction on here for it in the Raw thread was hilarious. (And I don't normally like the whole "calling them by their real name if they have a character name" thing, but people's reactions were beyond hilarious).
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It's not about a one time deal, it's about a pattern, and Punk proved time after time that he's not an attraction. He can be over with your core audience that are coming to the arenas and that can bring a wrestler to certain level, especially today when the depth in the talent pool is at an all-time low. But to draw the masses, you need that imaginary IT factor and the look of a star to be able to captivate the people, it's the same "turn heads" presence, Punk is not that guy and with everything they gave him, everything you can give to a wrestler for over 6 years, will never be that guy.

I just checked some old 2009 breakdown, if you remember the Big Show/Cena/Miz angle from that time period, the one before Miz's US title run. That program did big numbers all over the show. Besides Orton who was on fire, and proven draws like Show and Cena, I didn't remember the Miz angle doing that good. After that you got regular people like Batista, HBK, HHH and Vince. A Big Show/John Cena match actually main evented the big commercial free Trump show. And with the buyrate they drew for NWO 2012, 202k worldwide(biggest of the year from the regular shows besides Brock), it's not a surprise why they're going back to it almost every year.

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Wasn't the biggest gain in that Trump episode the LMS match between Orton and HHH? Orton truly was a draw back then. From being the top merchandise seller to bringing 4.1 ratings and main eventing Wrestlemania. (although the latter was kind of disappointing but the tired crowd was one big reason for that)
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Yes, peak of the show was Orton/HHH LMS.
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It's not about a one time deal, it's about a pattern, and Punk proved time after time that he's not an attraction. He can be over with your core audience that are coming to the arenas and that can bring a wrestler to certain level, especially today when the depth in the talent pool is at an all-time low. But to draw the masses, you need that imaginary IT factor and the look of a star to be able to captivate the people, it's the same "turn heads" presence, Punk is not that guy and with everything they gave him, everything you can give to a wrestler for over 6 years, will never be that guy.
Kinda agree about Punk, though his storylines can draw. About the turn heads though, Bryan has consistently been doing good numbers since Smackdown. Hopefully, he becomes a dependent TV draw. He just has to be entertaining.
Hard to believe Bryan becoming the turn heads guy, maybe he just has IT.

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The thing with Bryan, to me, is that he's actually getting something interesting, different and entertaining to do which is why people want to watch him. The build to the wedding, the wedding itself, the promo with Rock and now the shrink examination this week. I'm not a DB mark by any means but I watched everything he did Monday because it was fun and they were good segments. If they keep giving him things to do then people will keep watching. If they don't and they start sticking him in random squash matches etc, then people won't watch. The same thing applies to practically everybody else on the roster give or take the legends/legit stars lol.

It's going to take a while for us to determine what the regular gain is for 9PM though but that will come over time. Same goes for 10pm as well under this new 3 hour format.
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I understand that. I personally always respected Bryan in relation to the whole "indy midget" thing that goes around here. Bryan is an excellent in-ring wrestler who pays tribute to the great Chris Benoit with his signature moves and comes across as respectable in person, not to mention has actually been entertaining during his push this year. Plus he's actually been pulling some good numbers in breakdowns every now and then. Almost a complete 180 to his buddy, Phil. Bryan may have some annoying marks, but he certainly doesn't deserve to catch the same fire as Phil.

Before somebody asks why I call Phil by his real name. I do it because YOU (not you, specifically) keep asking about it. Also because he enjoys the use of people's real names when he's supposed to stay in character.
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I understand that. I personally always respected Bryan in relation to the whole "indy midget" thing that goes around here. Bryan is an excellent in-ring wrestler who pays tribute to the great Chris Benoit with his signature moves and comes across as respectable in person, not to mention has actually been entertaining during his push this year. Plus he's actually been pulling some good numbers in breakdowns every now and then. Almost a complete 180 to his buddy, Phil. Bryan may have some annoying marks, but he certainly doesn't deserve to catch the same fire as Phil.

Before somebody asks why I call Phil by his real name. I do it because YOU (not you, specifically) keep asking about it. Also because he enjoys the use of people's real names when he's supposed to stay in character.
So you admit your attention seeking, your cool.
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