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Old 07-25-2012, 01:41 PM   #4881 (permalink)
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Do a mankind and pin him with a folk lift......he'd probably still kick out.
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Lol, no. Streak won't ever end and besides, Mania 30 is Cena/Taker. It's obvious.
Actually forgot all about Taker/Cena with all this Punk talk.

But yeah, Taker/Cena is for WM30 and didn't think Punk ending the streak was happening, nor do I want it to, but just throwing it out there.


And yeah, Lesnar was just a fucking asshole who had no passion for the business, and due to the fact they played that on-screen it made him a very hated heel right off the bat that even Cena haters couldn't really get behind. I couldn't even get behind Lesnar 100%, though I can't lie and say I didn't enjoy watching him beat Cena within an inch of his life. But it was grueling, and made Lesnar pretty fucking dispicable and unlikebable to the vast majority of his fans. He went from

But Punk does have a passion for the business and after everything that's happened it wouldn't feel right if they all of a sudden made it seem like he doesn't care about anything except money like Lesnar, and I don't think the fans would buy it. Punk can be an asshole and get heat, but it will be a very difficult task to turn Cena into a fan favorite against him. We'll see.
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The only way to beat Taker is to put a hood over his head. TAKER JOBS TO HOODS.
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Punk is just going to look like a fool doing all these promos complaining(he half already in this AJ storyline), last year it was "I'm not a main eventer!! blah blah", now, "My title run is irrelevant!! blah blah". What's next for him? To cry that he doesn't win the Rumble every year? It's almost becomes a comedy character and comes off whiny and childish.

And even if he's doing it, Lesnar vs HHH is the main event of Summerslam, Brock Lesnar is the big selling point, he's main eventing no matter what, so he looks like an even bigger fool. They need different direction if they want this thing to be something reliable and not a mess like last year. It's only a matter of time until Cena takes the belt anyway, if not at Summerslam, at NOC, it's happening, and clean.
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The only person taking the belt off Punk I think is Rock at the Rumble. Now Punk has turned, it gives him a whole new set of people to have feuds with and it gives him excuses to retain the belt. He attacked the Rock, no way are they not settling it at the Rumble.
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Both of us tend to get carried away which is why I'm reeling myself in right now lol. It all falls on this upcoming Raw. That is going to tell us off the bat how they are going to book him. I'm prepared for and expecting WWE shitty heel booking 101 and even worse than that, WWE shitty heel booking against John Cena. But maybe just maybe they'll surprise us. I will say this though, there wouldn't be a better path for any guy to receive on their way to superstardom that going over/facing John Cena, Triple H, The Rock and Stone Cold in the space of a few months. If the stars align for Punk here he'll be flying lol.
Haha... Yes, I'm reeling myself back right now, too. But to the bolded, yes, this is precisely correct! After over half a year of working with guys who were so undeniably beneath him in the WWE pecking order, the next six months or nine months would be astronomically huge for Punk, if he were to feud with/going over John Cena, Triple H, The Rock and Stone Cold. It appears that this is finally his time to shine. But again, we'll have to see what they do as soon as Raw opens up next week. Punk should flat-out state that Raw is now his show, and combine that line of thinking with a WWE version of his "The Devil Exists" promo from ROH and you have must-see TV right off the bat.

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Spectacular viewership #! They didn't even have to strip Edge to his underwear this time!


But seriously, this Monday was kind of like an 'open house' for me personally. I have a lot of family and friends that stopped watching in the mid 00's or earlier and watched this one because of the hype of it being 1000 and everything. They wouldn't have been the only ones (clearly) to do this, and luckily WWE put on a superb show. Perfectly booked with enough returning legends to get everyone excited but also with enough current stars to show what WWE of today is truly about. Now, pretty much all of them want to continue watching. Good job WWE. I'm not saying every show has to be the 1000th, but if they approach every episode with as much sense and logic as they did this (and they can, it is very much possible) then it's only upwards from here.
Thank you for this story. There's no denying that Raw 1,000 was a gigantic success. It will be interesting to see how many older viewers who got out of watching will now return on a semi-regular basis. Sounds like it worked for many of your family and friends, though, so that is a good building block.
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Obis, good thoughts and thanks.

I think what CM Punk is going to have to become is a new version of Edge and maybe with a hint of Brock Lesnar added. There was a match Punk had with Cena in January 2011 to main event a Raw where, toward the end, Punk kind of just physically dissected him with submissions and it looked like Cena was almost legitimately passing the fuck out. (I'd search for a video if I didn't have to run off in a minute.) They need Punk to be as savvy and as smart and as cunning and as despicable as possible for him to keep his heat while feuding with Cena. It speaks volumes about how screwed up the WWE landscape is, really, when the top face is the most difficult foe for heels to feud with if they want to remain hated.

Starbuck's enduring point about Punk's heel turn being inevitable as he is the Cult of Personality (look at the song lyrics) needs to come to fruition, too. One thing most people don't like and tend to feel dirty over is being used by someone. Punk needs to make it crystal clear that for the last 13 months, since The Shoot, he's been using every single fan for his own ends. Hell, he never really contradicted his Shoot wherein he lambasted the fans who were booing Cena/cheering him as being part of the diseased problem. That has to be remembered. He worked us for all we were worth because The Devil Exists.

And I'm at the Taker hood videos. Goodness gracious.

Would be priceless if Lesnar USED THE HOOD to nearly destroy Undertaker at Wrestlemania. It's his kryptonite!
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DAT DAVE MELTZER WILL REPORT THEM LATER TODAY, BRAH.
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Overrun did 4.4 which is a good number but with the show doing a 4.1 average, this is not that great. Especially when according to Meltzer Cena/Punk lost viewers at the start and got them back with all the run ins from The Rock and Show. Lowest quarter was 3.5.
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