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Old 07-25-2012, 12:23 PM   #4871 (permalink)
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I think Triple H vs. Punk could very well happen, if for no other reason than for lack of any strong, credible babyfaces with whom Punk can feud between Night of Champions time, when he's presumably done with Cena, and January. Unless of course they have Cena and Punk feud all the way to Hell in a Cell in climactic fashion, which... Could happen. Perhaps it'll be Show/Cena/Punk at Summerslam, Punk retains, then it's Cena vs. Punk in Boston at NoC, Punk retains but Cena gets some moral victory afterward or whatever, feud heats up and it gets blown off at Hell in a Cell. If that is the plan, it would buy them plenty of time to build somebody else or turn somebody (like a Bryan or whoever) for Survivor Series/TLC time. Of course, having Punk work three PPVs in a row with Cena is perilous because as we all know by now, Cena cannot go more than two PPVs in a row without getting his win. Show could take teh fall at Summerslam, though, there could be some extremely shoddy finish at NoC to piss Cena/whatever fans he actually has in his hometown and then the capper would be Punk outsmarting and out-sadism-ing Cena inside the Cell (lol, I can't believe I'm even talking about Hell in a Cell this way... they probably should scrap the PPV after the End of an Era match at Wrestlemania, but on the contrary, they'll see that match as having boosted HIAC's prestige and importance as a gimmick match to perhaps even increase buys year vs. year for that PPV). That would put Punk over with an almost minimal amount of damage done to Cena, with only one "clean" loss to Punk at Hell in a Cell.

I think Trips/Punk II is much more realistic now that Punk's heel, though. On one hand Triple H might not return until RTWM time but I can see Vince become antsy when Monday Night Football season is at its peak in the middle of fall and wanting Trips to work wtih Punk for at least a solid month. But again, that is a bit off in the distance at this point in time. All I know is I'd certainly like to see Triple H/Punk again, with no more vague, ambiguous "I'm sort of a tweener face, but I'm a complete douchebag asshole, too"/"Well I'm going to outshoot you, you shooting shitter shooter"/"Oh yeah? Well, you and Vince only dig bodybuilders," crap. Just a hot, heavy babyface legend Triple H vs. dastardly heel WWE Champion CM Punk. It would be cool if Punk were so well-booked that his crimes against humanity in WWE draw Triple H back out early from rehabilitating his broken body following Summerslam, which is the perfect precondition to letting Punk go over Triple H at Survivor Series or wherever, maximizing heat on Punk and sympathy for the fallen legend he's tormenting.

I also love the idea of Punk and Brock both being "Paul Heyman guys," and clearly you do, too, haha. Once Brock exits after halfway crippling Triple H at Summerslam, Heyman can indeed form an alliance with Punk and right there you have a mighty catalyst to bring Triple H back into Punk's world. Excellent thinking, there, Starbuck.

Argh, why do I build up my expectations through forays into wishful fantasy booking at times like these?
Both of us tend to get carried away which is why I'm reeling myself in right now lol. It all falls on this upcoming Raw. That is going to tell us off the bat how they are going to book him. I'm prepared for and expecting WWE shitty heel booking 101 and even worse than that, WWE shitty heel booking against John Cena. But maybe just maybe they'll surprise us. I will say this though, there wouldn't be a better path for any guy to receive on their way to superstardom that going over/facing John Cena, Triple H, The Rock and Stone Cold in the space of a few months. If the stars align for Punk here he'll be flying lol.
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Spectacular viewership #! They didn't even have to strip Edge to his underwear this time!


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If they are looking CM Punk to go all out full heel, and he does the shooting shite again, then it's going to be hard for him to stay heel. The fans will eat that shit up, and Cena will just be booed in every match/segment they have.

This will be hard for WWE.
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I think Triple H vs. Punk could very well happen, if for no other reason than for lack of any strong, credible babyfaces with whom Punk can feud between Night of Champions time, when he's presumably done with Cena, and January. Unless of course they have Cena and Punk feud all the way to Hell in a Cell in climactic fashion, which... Could happen. Perhaps it'll be Show/Cena/Punk at Summerslam, Punk retains, then it's Cena vs. Punk in Boston at NoC, Punk retains but Cena gets some moral victory afterward or whatever, feud heats up and it gets blown off at Hell in a Cell. If that is the plan, it would buy them plenty of time to build somebody else or turn somebody (like a Bryan or whoever) for Survivor Series/TLC time. Of course, having Punk work three PPVs in a row with Cena is perilous because as we all know by now, Cena cannot go more than two PPVs in a row without getting his win. Show could take teh fall at Summerslam, though, there could be some extremely shoddy finish at NoC to piss Cena/whatever fans he actually has in his hometown and then the capper would be Punk outsmarting and out-sadism-ing Cena inside the Cell (lol, I can't believe I'm even talking about Hell in a Cell this way... they probably should scrap the PPV after the End of an Era match at Wrestlemania, but on the contrary, they'll see that match as having boosted HIAC's prestige and importance as a gimmick match to perhaps even increase buys year vs. year for that PPV). That would put Punk over with an almost minimal amount of damage done to Cena, with only one "clean" loss to Punk at Hell in a Cell.

I think Trips/Punk II is much more realistic now that Punk's heel, though. On one hand Triple H might not return until RTWM time but I can see Vince become antsy when Monday Night Football season is at its peak in the middle of fall and wanting Trips to work wtih Punk for at least a solid month. But again, that is a bit off in the distance at this point in time. All I know is I'd certainly like to see Triple H/Punk again, with no more vague, ambiguous "I'm sort of a tweener face, but I'm a complete douchebag asshole, too"/"Well I'm going to outshoot you, you shooting shitter shooter"/"Oh yeah? Well, you and Vince only dig bodybuilders," crap. Just a hot, heavy babyface legend Triple H vs. dastardly heel WWE Champion CM Punk. It would be cool if Punk were so well-booked that his crimes against humanity in WWE draw Triple H back out early from rehabilitating his broken body following Summerslam, which is the perfect precondition to letting Punk go over Triple H at Survivor Series or wherever, maximizing heat on Punk and sympathy for the fallen legend he's tormenting.

I also love the idea of Punk and Brock both being "Paul Heyman guys," and clearly you do, too, haha. Once Brock exits after halfway crippling Triple H at Summerslam, Heyman can indeed form an alliance with Punk and right there you have a mighty catalyst to bring Triple H back into Punk's world. Excellent thinking, there, Starbuck.

Argh, why do I build up my expectations through forays into wishful fantasy booking at times like these?
The Punk/HHH idea would be a perfect way for Punk to go over HHH "clean", while not hurting HHH one bit. He breaks HHH down even more at SVS and puts him out seemingly permanently. Hell tbh, I'm not sure what HHH would need to do at WM. Rock/Cena is there. Punk/Austin is another (unless Austin can't work it, in which case HHH would fit nicely here), and Taker/Brock to round out all the big stars/matches. HHH could have an undercard feud/match with someone like Barrett or Sandow, but I think for the benefit of Punk's heel run, he should put HHH out as long as possible. Maybe HHH comes back for Summerslam next year, beats Punk for the title (which he will regain at some point after losing it to Rock), gets the title back at NOC by some cheap means, and then the rubber match at Hell in a Cell which Punks wins in a similar fashion to how HHH beat Austin at NWO01.

But as you said, it's all wishful thinking. Not like WWE would think this deep in this day and age. Punk being in a power stable, working a feud and match with Rock going toe to toe with him, and then beating Austin at Wrestlemania 29 alone would make him a made man. The HHH stuff would be extra, but would be some good shit for Punk if they went through with it.

But I'll believe it will happen when I see it happen.
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That's why getting over Cena will be the first and probably biggest hurdle. Any heel feuding with Cena becomes the face because half the fans refuse to get behind him lol. A freshly turned heel should be kept as far away from John Cena and his booking as possible. Once they get past that it should be smooth sailing and especially if they do have legends in HHH, Rock and Austin lined up for him next.
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A returning Brock Lesnar got Cena over going into ER has the clear fan fav.

At ER you heard a few loud Cena sucks chant at the start of the match, but 2 mins in - it had stopped.

Punk will just have to try his best to get the crowd to really dislike him.
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If they really wanted to go extreme with Punk, after everything I just mentioned... Wrestlemania 30, Punk ends the streak. If everything else doesn't make him one of the greatest/most hated heels of all time, this would do it.
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A returning Brock Lesnar got Cena over going into ER has the clear fan fav.

At ER you heard a few loud Cena sucks chant at the start of the match, but 2 mins in - it had stopped.

Punk will just have to try his best to get the crowd to really dislike him.
That's because Lesnar fucking destroyed him. Punk isn't going to be that type of heel. He doesn't have the sheer physical presence to pull that off. Cena legit got the tar beat out of him and that turned the fans. It's a rare one off occasion. That match was something special and so unique.

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If they really wanted to go extreme with Punk, after everything I just mentioned... Wrestlemania 30, Punk ends the streak. If everything else doesn't make him one of the greatest/most hated heels of all time, this would do it.
Lol, no. Streak won't ever end and besides, Mania 30 is Cena/Taker. It's obvious.
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Punk will have to bring his shot gun to WM to beat Taker. Actually anyone facing Taker at WM will.
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Yep. It's amazing how every year the streak has just grown in hype, stature and importance not to mention that every year it takes more and more to keep Taker down lol. The next guy to face him should keep a shotgun under the ring just in case, haha.
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